(Disclaimer: i do support the right of Israel to exist as a country, and acknowledge that believing in Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to eternal life. That said, i have respect for Judaism as i do other faiths, but acknowledge that Christ is THE way. any comments defending Jews, or not defending Jews are because i believe the stance to be true.)
The Protocols
Like Dracula, the Protocols of Zion just keep coming back. "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" are basically bandied about as the plans of a "secret Jewish conspiracy to take over the world" by purchasing, then controlling everything. That's my understanding anyways, and since it doesn't involve a man with a scarred face and a Persian cat, I'm inclined to think it's too silly to be true.
Read more here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
As far as I know, no serious scholar accepts these as legitimate. On top of that, they were debunked quite a long time ago.
How does it relate to dispensationalism?
They're only tangentally related, having their origins in Russia. The Protocols are connected only because people within dispensationalism have used them as proof for one thing or another.
This article mentions a dispensational minister using them to blame Jews for various ills.
http://www.nyu.edu/fas/projects/vcb/ChristianMedia/timeline/timeline5.html
And a fascinating article that provides evidence that some other dispensationalists used to accept the Protocols. Dispensationalists have since flip-flopped into nearly unwavering support for Israel as a nation. The article also explains why there has been a change of heart.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/north7.html
So there's your tenuous connection to dispensationalism. Dispensationalists used to believe Jews were the bane of all people, but now provide overwhelming support for Jews and Israel.
Why is it the Protocols were used to support dispensationalism, but now refute it?
My take, is that those who support Israel carte blanche, may actually want the protocols to be true and those against a "favortism" of Jews/Israel would use the Protocols as proof of evil. Both are extremely dangerous positions to hold.
http://www.mediamonitors.net/williamson3.html
So, are the Protocols legit?
We see they spread confusion. It also resulted in quite alot of antisemitism, and were used as rationale to kill millions of Jews.
If they were true, confusion would be transformed into understanding.
2 Corinthians 14:33
"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints."
Well, let's get to it.
A book about the protocols is finding acceptance in the Arabic and Muslim world. Interesting, since "those people" are typically the boogie-man du jour and supposedly always out to get everyone, especially Israel. One would think they would least like the Protocols to be false, yet they are readily accepting the truth that the Protocols are lies.
http://fighthatred.com/fighting-hate/reports/791-arabic-book-debunks-protocols-of-zion-
The above wiki at the beginning of this post on the Protocols provides a side-by-side comparison of the works quoted below.
"In 1921 the Times of London published convincing proof that The Protocols were largely plagiarized from books published decades earlier—primarily The Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, by Maurice Joly (1864) and Biarritz by Hermann Goedsche (1868)."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060911-zion.html
The article is good too. It goes on to claim that Russia (where the Protocols came from) has declared them fraudulent, and that even the Nazis knew they were false.
They also quote Joseph Goebbels' OWN WORDS:
"I believe that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are a forgery … [However,] I believe in the intrinsic, but not in the factual, truth of The Protocols,"
I don't know about you, but Goebbels' opinion that these are a forgery is the only thing I'd ever agree with him on.
And another article that highlights the plagiarism. If you have any doubts that the Protocols are fake, this article should remove those quite well.
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/projects/protzion/DelaCruzProtocolsMain.htm
Despite the overwhelming proof the Protocols are not a legitimate document, there are people who still believe them. Though I couldn't find anyone who could prove their veracity, especially in light of the evidence of forgery, many people still hold to them.
This below article is pretty representative of some of the "truth" claims. That is, they just kind of ignore the forgery claims, or worse, poo-poo them without looking at the evidence. Maybe I'm doing that on the opposing side, but the evidence of fraud is, in my opinion, airtight.
I completely disagree with this author as he claims the Bible is nothing but proof that the Jews have it out for everyone.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/proof.htm
The problem is, they attack the idea that Israel in the Bible is God's chosen people using the Canaanite conquest as proof that Jews feel superior. I've already addressed that here: (http://dontaskthatinchurch.blogspot.com/2011/09/wrath-of-god-is-god-really-genocidal.html)
and here: (http://dontaskthatinchurch.blogspot.com/2011/09/wipe-outall-of-them-why-would-good-and.html) that the conquest of Canaan had little or nothing to do with "racial superiority". While there was landgrabbing, this too is addressed.
This "proof" article also claims that Jews want to enslave all gentiles, but nothing could be further from the truth. Rather, God has always wanted to use Jews (and now Christians) to draw gentiles as well as Jews into right relationship with Him. All are sinners, yet God chose us if we accept His offer. Israel, historically was always meant to be a light, an example to the gentiles. So where is the "proof" that Jews and Israel were meant to enslave gentiles?
Here's proof that God intended the opposite.
Deuteronomy 10:19
"Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt."
The entire book of Jonah is dedicated to a Jew, Jonah, leading a group of gentiles-mortal enemies of the Jews no less-to repentence.
Isaiah 42
6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
Isaiah 49
6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. 7 Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. 8 Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages;
Luke 2
30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. 33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.
No need to reinvent the wheel. The Protocols of Zion, are in fact nothing more than a reworded plagiarism of an older pulbication. They are not true in any sense of the word. Rather than spending any more time debunking them, maybe someone should prove them. I recommend by starting with addressing the clear evidence of plagiarism.
I have no doubt that there is a plan to "take over the world", but it is not the Jews or Israel. Or even a particular group, a "THEY". Rather, it is Satan as outlined in the book of Daniel and Revelation using various groups to eventually enthrone himself as god. Satan is "god of this world" and as such is the true motivating force behind globalism.
2 Cor 4:4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Thursday, December 29, 2011
Thursday, December 22, 2011
Dissecting Dispensationalism: Prologue
Dissecting Dispensationalism: Prologue
Yet another topic thanks to Bro LA Marzulli's blog (and Sandie). Sandie had asked me to address dispensationalism, and linked me a few things that are all addressed after this.
I apologize that I'm not 100% clear on the issue, at first glance, some of the things I saw appeared to be unrelated. Once i started digging though, things coalesced and things started falling into place.
This topic is from a hotly debated subject, that is: Dispensationalism, Israel, the Millenial reign of Christ, Ezekiel 37 and the Jews.
This also entails the fact that there's something of a divide among some Christians that: either the current nation of Israel is God's chosen people (fulfilling Ezekiel 37), is equivalent to the ancient nation of Israel and (some believe) should have carte blanche to do anything, and the opposing view that Israel is not necessarily Biblical Israel but is actually part of a Jewish plot to take over the world. the second group also tends to lean towards replacement theology and that there is no Millenial Reign of Christ.
That is the debate, as near as I figure, in a nutshell. I'm sure I've made everyone angry, but for simplicity's sake, i had to generalize.
Part of the debate is posted here:
http://www.thewatchmanforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1314
And some general background info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._I._Scofield
(From the below linked article)
"Dispensationalists believe that the nation of Israel (not necessarily the same as the state of Israel) is distinct from the Christian Church,and that God has yet to fulfill His promises to national Israel. These promises include the land promises, which in the future world to come result in a millennial kingdom and Third Temple where Christ, upon His return, will rule the world from Jerusalem[3] for a thousand years. In other areas of theology, dispensationalists hold to a wide range of beliefs within the evangelical and fundamentalist spectrum."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
My Presuppositional Bias:
Without fully realizing it , i guess i fall in with this general idea i quoted. So, you know the bias i start from. The reason being, is that if you read certain prophecies in the Bible, there are a number yet to be fulfilled (like Zechariah 14; Book of Revelation). I don't think anyone in their right mind could say that those have happened yet. So, I believe Christ has yet to return and will reign literally and visibly for 1000 years. I believe God also has promises to keep to Israel. But will this change in the coming weeks?
Who's right?
I'm inclined to look at Scofield skeptically. We're not concerned with him in any event right now, other than to acknowledge he made the theory of dispensationalism popular.
I also see the danger in dispensationalism. If you read the wiki, the section of Judaism is where I think some Christians go a tad too far.
This is a huge HUGE topic, one not easily addressed.
We can start to unravel some of this topic by looking at dispensationalism and its components. These sort of all fit into the dispensationalism bag.
Here's a breakdown of topics for the coming weeks
1) The protocols of the Elders of Zion
2) The Star of David
3) Ezekiel 37 and the nation of Israel
4) What do the Jews think?
5) Jesus' return and 1,000 year reign
Yet another topic thanks to Bro LA Marzulli's blog (and Sandie). Sandie had asked me to address dispensationalism, and linked me a few things that are all addressed after this.
I apologize that I'm not 100% clear on the issue, at first glance, some of the things I saw appeared to be unrelated. Once i started digging though, things coalesced and things started falling into place.
This topic is from a hotly debated subject, that is: Dispensationalism, Israel, the Millenial reign of Christ, Ezekiel 37 and the Jews.
This also entails the fact that there's something of a divide among some Christians that: either the current nation of Israel is God's chosen people (fulfilling Ezekiel 37), is equivalent to the ancient nation of Israel and (some believe) should have carte blanche to do anything, and the opposing view that Israel is not necessarily Biblical Israel but is actually part of a Jewish plot to take over the world. the second group also tends to lean towards replacement theology and that there is no Millenial Reign of Christ.
That is the debate, as near as I figure, in a nutshell. I'm sure I've made everyone angry, but for simplicity's sake, i had to generalize.
Part of the debate is posted here:
http://www.thewatchmanforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1314
And some general background info
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._I._Scofield
(From the below linked article)
"Dispensationalists believe that the nation of Israel (not necessarily the same as the state of Israel) is distinct from the Christian Church,and that God has yet to fulfill His promises to national Israel. These promises include the land promises, which in the future world to come result in a millennial kingdom and Third Temple where Christ, upon His return, will rule the world from Jerusalem[3] for a thousand years. In other areas of theology, dispensationalists hold to a wide range of beliefs within the evangelical and fundamentalist spectrum."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism
My Presuppositional Bias:
Without fully realizing it , i guess i fall in with this general idea i quoted. So, you know the bias i start from. The reason being, is that if you read certain prophecies in the Bible, there are a number yet to be fulfilled (like Zechariah 14; Book of Revelation). I don't think anyone in their right mind could say that those have happened yet. So, I believe Christ has yet to return and will reign literally and visibly for 1000 years. I believe God also has promises to keep to Israel. But will this change in the coming weeks?
Who's right?
I'm inclined to look at Scofield skeptically. We're not concerned with him in any event right now, other than to acknowledge he made the theory of dispensationalism popular.
I also see the danger in dispensationalism. If you read the wiki, the section of Judaism is where I think some Christians go a tad too far.
This is a huge HUGE topic, one not easily addressed.
We can start to unravel some of this topic by looking at dispensationalism and its components. These sort of all fit into the dispensationalism bag.
Here's a breakdown of topics for the coming weeks
1) The protocols of the Elders of Zion
2) The Star of David
3) Ezekiel 37 and the nation of Israel
4) What do the Jews think?
5) Jesus' return and 1,000 year reign
Monday, December 19, 2011
whew!
OK kids, that's all the blog for right now!
Come back in afew weeks when I take a break from UFOs (for a very long time)
Merry Christmas!
Come back in afew weeks when I take a break from UFOs (for a very long time)
Merry Christmas!
UFOs and Abductions Part 3: Alien-Human Hybrids (aka Nephilim Hybrids)
This blog is pretty much 100% pure speculation. Again, the culmination of the conflicting accounts i've encountered in studying UFOs over the years.
To start with, not only am i late to the party (as usual) i also kind of hate looking into the alien hybrid/modern nephilim phenomena. I would rather not have addressed it, but i kind of felt led to, since i covered the dark spiritual side, and the human involvement. I hate it because there's no real, tangible evidence of hybrids, and there's so much weird stuff that goes on with it. Or if there is, it's open to interpretation.
It also accomplishes two of satan's goals just by existing. It distracts, and it destroys. Some people (no one in particular in mind...really!) spend way too much time worrying about hybrids everywhere. I used to. It also destroys by setting believers of differing opinions against each other. It caused quite a quarrel among many believers i highly respect a year or so ago.
As if the Christian church didn't have enough things to fight over. We've added one more to the list, except when we fight over this one, we really throw people off. Few of us "kooks" dispute that Genesis 6 and afterwards there were nephilim-human/angel hybrids. The debate is whether or not it's happening now or not as part of the UFO phenomena. Many abductees report breeding programs taking place as part of their experiences.
Some Christian researchers use a number of texts to support their viewpoint. The Book of I Enoch (quoted in the book of Jude and Peter in the Bible.) Genesis 6 and Daniel 2 (though i'm not fully convinced that the iron mixing with clay in Daniel 2 means there's nephilim. It's often asked who is the "they" where it says "they shall mingle themselves...") still, most of the rest do refer to nephilim of Genesis 6, initially the offspring of fallen angels and human women.
No problem, except the aforementioned Daniel, which i could be wrong on. I have other theories on Daniel 2, for some other time perhaps. My basic thought is the iron mixed with clay is "hard" governments like communism/dictatorships as iron. Clay, is the democratic governments of the world. People are made of "clay" in Genesis, so maybe governments "of the people mean" mean clay. Communism and democracy don't mingle all that well. At least they never used to.
But i digest.
So, the flood of Noah wiped the nephilim out. Done deal.
The problem comes with the nephilim after the flood (Og,Conquest off Canaan, David vs Goliath). Did more fallen angels mate with human women after the flood? Are they doing it now? That's where the split is. Where did the post flood nephilim come from? Some think that more angels came and mated with women again.
My thoughts are, if the angels that did this the first time were put into the abyss, outlined in Enoch, Jude and Peter, why would more angels jump to do it again? Sure, they were going to be put there eventually anyways, but why hasten the trip?
If i knew i was going to jail in 20 years for something, but had 20 years of freedom to enjoy i'd enjoy my 20 years. But if say, commiting crime X would get me there immediately, i would avoid crime X. But, fallen angels are insane, after all, they did, as finite creatures, rebel against an infinite God (having been with Him even!) so who knows what their thought processes are like.
Perhaps a few angels took the fall, did the deed and got thrown in the abyss, while the other fallen are still loose. These nephilim propagated again after the flood, but kept their numbers down to keep God from acting against them. That's 100% speculation.
At any rate, for more on post flood nephiilim, i covered that here http://dontaskthatinchurch.blogspot.com/2011/09/wipe-outall-of-them-why-would-good-and.html and another link in that blog.
Check out Dante Fortson's King Wells interviews for more on that. I don't have a link, but it should be in iTunes, or Bro. Dante can find the link for you. You'll have to do the legwork on that one. Dante also has a book "In the Days of Noah" that might be worth a look, that may get into more of this.
At any rate, the split among us kooks is, are angels or demons disguising themselves as aliens and making more nephilim through UFO abductions? Both sides have good evidence. Having looked at both sides, i can't say that i can really decide myself. Personally, i do lean more towards the hybrids being an illusion.
Let's start with Joe Jordan's illusion view.
http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4testimonies.htm
I have heard Joe speak on several interviews and he maintains that ALL alien abductions are illusions. His main proof of this is that he was doing an over the phone deliverence with a guy. This guy said they were taking him, and when he had been "taken" his wife picked up the phone and said he had just passed out. This happened several times, the guy was convinced that he went somewhere, but he actually didn't.
I'm sure the above link corroborates that story in other testimonies.
Using stories like that, Jordan posits that the hybrid encounters are actually illusions as well. Illusions designed to form a bond with the demons, making it harder to get free from them. The demons are presenting illusory children to take advantage of maternal and paternal instincts in abductees, which would make the abductee desire more contacts.
I can completely believe this.
However, the flipside of this issue is the physical evidence, or physical encounters with alleged hybrids. After all, how do you explain the physical evidence of an abduction, the scoop marks, and implants and what not? If it's a spiritual mental thing, there should be no physical traces. That's where satan's human agents, whoever THEY may be, come into play as discussed in my last blog.
Anyways, onto some of those who support the physical hybrid arguments.
LA Marzulli posted on his blog that someone encountered a possible hybrid in a shopping mall. I probably made some comment in there somewhere, see if you can find it!
http://lamarzulli.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/hybrids-among-us-nephilim/
Weird.
There's also a book called "Raechel's Eyes" about an alleged hybrid "THEY" were trying to integrate into society, except this one failed. I haven't read it, but heard the story somewhere. It was weird, but another one of those ones that's hard to prove.
Betty Andreasson in "Watchers" saw a woman's baby taken from the womb, then placed into a container to finish gestating. This was apparently a baby grey or a hybrid. It wasn't clear. That book is weird anyways, and i would gather there was alot of demonic illusion going on, so maybe this should really be in the first section. The interesting thing though is it triggered an emotional response in Betty.
Then there's Dr. David Jacobs' "The Threat." This book goes through a number of cases where abductees produced hybrids and somehow Jacobs came to a realization that these hybrids were being integrated into our society for some unknown end. Of course, at least some of this data was collected by use of hypnosis, so i would wonder if all or any of it is trustworthy. That seems to be the general problem with UFO alien-human hybrids, there is little in the form of actual physical proof. Still, Jacobs makes a compelling case.
Tom Horn has some interesting thoughts to add to this debate. He maintains that the nephilim in Genesis 6 weren't JUST the children of angels, but also DNA hybrids of animals too. Chimeras. Verse 12 does say that ALL flesh had been corrupted. So perhaps some of every species and most of humanity was hybridized and genetically modified to some extent.
Another weird one, but it would explain the legends of centaurs, satyrs and the like. What makes this relevant now is the transhumanism movement.
This isn't science fiction either. Earlier this year, scientists had admitted to growing 150 human-animal hybrids in a lab. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2017818/Embryos-involving-genes-animals-mixed-humans-produced-secretively-past-years.html
Why would they be doing this?
Sure these were JUST embryos, but the article says there are hybrids being grown in countries WITHOUT regulation. This story is just what we've been told about, how do we know there aren't human animal hybrids that were grown to full term?
Now this was just a lab, not a UFO or abduction scenario, but how do we know there aren't any of those?
So IF there are nephilim around now, why don't we see them?
One argument is that the UFO breeding programs are designed to make the nephilim fit in more.
One theory of mine is that bigfoot, if physical, is a nephilim. I first heard this in a podcast, of course, and it was an interview with a guy who's studied sasquatch for 50 years, since the age of 12. His name escapes me. But at any rate, he maintained that there are a number of UFO flaps that also involve an uptick in bigfoot sightings too.
Here are some articles i found on a message board.
http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/09/bigfoot-and-ufos-2/
http://www.w-files.com/files/bfpicklepatch.html
This one is the best. The bigfoot were fired upon, seemingly with no effect, AND there was the smell of sulfur, which has allegedly been reported with a few alien encounters and of course, demonic manifestation.
http://www.mombu.com/aviation/unidentified-flying-objects/t-25-years-ago-today-a-scary-bigfootufo-encounter-3254395.html
Of course, the bigfoot theory may not hold water. There are reports of bigfoot being shot point blank with no effect. If bigfoot were a nephilim, then logically it should have died from a gunshot like the rest of the nephilim in the Bible. This sort of case suggests bigfoot may be yet another illusory demonic manifestation.
Wow, that was a rabbit trail. So aside from the actual creation of human animal hybrids in a lab, there's really little to no physical evidence for alien-human nephilim being made.
However, that doesn't mean it isn't happening. An underground eugenics program run by people and demonic beings under cover of a UFO invasion would fit nicely with satan's earlier, public eugenics plans at the beginning of the 20th century. It certainly has a better PR spin.
That aside, debating hybrids, and looking into it will take you down MANY rabbit trails, many of them into David Icke or New Age/UFO places which is really not a good use of time.
And, even if there is a nephilim/underground eugenics, we are not told about it explicitly in the Bible. Yes, Jesus says Matthew 24 that the end of days would be "like the days of Noah". Does that mean modern nephilim? Some think so, especially in light of the iron mixing with clay in Daniel 2.
But notice one thing. Even if Jesus and Daniel are warning about nephilim in the last days, they don't say believers should do anything about it! We're not supposed to try to stop these programs. We probably can't. We shouldn't live in fear of hybrids among us like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". God alone will deal with them.
Although Paul tells us:
Epeshians 5:11 - 13
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].
For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light."
And Jesus tells us:
Matthew 10:28 - 30
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered."
So what should Christians do and think about the hybrid phenomena?
We should probably have a basic knowledge about the phenomena, so we can answer those in the conspiracy realm, and use it as a witnessing tool for Christ. Perhaps use someone's interest in alien-human hybrids to tell them it happened before, in Genesis 6, and here's what God will do about it in the end, then show them Revelation, and share the Gospel.
Aside from that, there's really nothing else we can do about it. God alone will deal with it when His Son Jesus Christ returns, ala Revelation 19.
Appendix
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2011-11-17T16_19_15-08_00.mp3
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2011-11-20T15_38_00-08_00.mp3
Neph
To start with, not only am i late to the party (as usual) i also kind of hate looking into the alien hybrid/modern nephilim phenomena. I would rather not have addressed it, but i kind of felt led to, since i covered the dark spiritual side, and the human involvement. I hate it because there's no real, tangible evidence of hybrids, and there's so much weird stuff that goes on with it. Or if there is, it's open to interpretation.
It also accomplishes two of satan's goals just by existing. It distracts, and it destroys. Some people (no one in particular in mind...really!) spend way too much time worrying about hybrids everywhere. I used to. It also destroys by setting believers of differing opinions against each other. It caused quite a quarrel among many believers i highly respect a year or so ago.
As if the Christian church didn't have enough things to fight over. We've added one more to the list, except when we fight over this one, we really throw people off. Few of us "kooks" dispute that Genesis 6 and afterwards there were nephilim-human/angel hybrids. The debate is whether or not it's happening now or not as part of the UFO phenomena. Many abductees report breeding programs taking place as part of their experiences.
Some Christian researchers use a number of texts to support their viewpoint. The Book of I Enoch (quoted in the book of Jude and Peter in the Bible.) Genesis 6 and Daniel 2 (though i'm not fully convinced that the iron mixing with clay in Daniel 2 means there's nephilim. It's often asked who is the "they" where it says "they shall mingle themselves...") still, most of the rest do refer to nephilim of Genesis 6, initially the offspring of fallen angels and human women.
No problem, except the aforementioned Daniel, which i could be wrong on. I have other theories on Daniel 2, for some other time perhaps. My basic thought is the iron mixed with clay is "hard" governments like communism/dictatorships as iron. Clay, is the democratic governments of the world. People are made of "clay" in Genesis, so maybe governments "of the people mean" mean clay. Communism and democracy don't mingle all that well. At least they never used to.
But i digest.
So, the flood of Noah wiped the nephilim out. Done deal.
The problem comes with the nephilim after the flood (Og,Conquest off Canaan, David vs Goliath). Did more fallen angels mate with human women after the flood? Are they doing it now? That's where the split is. Where did the post flood nephilim come from? Some think that more angels came and mated with women again.
My thoughts are, if the angels that did this the first time were put into the abyss, outlined in Enoch, Jude and Peter, why would more angels jump to do it again? Sure, they were going to be put there eventually anyways, but why hasten the trip?
If i knew i was going to jail in 20 years for something, but had 20 years of freedom to enjoy i'd enjoy my 20 years. But if say, commiting crime X would get me there immediately, i would avoid crime X. But, fallen angels are insane, after all, they did, as finite creatures, rebel against an infinite God (having been with Him even!) so who knows what their thought processes are like.
Perhaps a few angels took the fall, did the deed and got thrown in the abyss, while the other fallen are still loose. These nephilim propagated again after the flood, but kept their numbers down to keep God from acting against them. That's 100% speculation.
At any rate, for more on post flood nephiilim, i covered that here http://dontaskthatinchurch.blogspot.com/2011/09/wipe-outall-of-them-why-would-good-and.html and another link in that blog.
Check out Dante Fortson's King Wells interviews for more on that. I don't have a link, but it should be in iTunes, or Bro. Dante can find the link for you. You'll have to do the legwork on that one. Dante also has a book "In the Days of Noah" that might be worth a look, that may get into more of this.
At any rate, the split among us kooks is, are angels or demons disguising themselves as aliens and making more nephilim through UFO abductions? Both sides have good evidence. Having looked at both sides, i can't say that i can really decide myself. Personally, i do lean more towards the hybrids being an illusion.
Let's start with Joe Jordan's illusion view.
http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4testimonies.htm
I have heard Joe speak on several interviews and he maintains that ALL alien abductions are illusions. His main proof of this is that he was doing an over the phone deliverence with a guy. This guy said they were taking him, and when he had been "taken" his wife picked up the phone and said he had just passed out. This happened several times, the guy was convinced that he went somewhere, but he actually didn't.
I'm sure the above link corroborates that story in other testimonies.
Using stories like that, Jordan posits that the hybrid encounters are actually illusions as well. Illusions designed to form a bond with the demons, making it harder to get free from them. The demons are presenting illusory children to take advantage of maternal and paternal instincts in abductees, which would make the abductee desire more contacts.
I can completely believe this.
However, the flipside of this issue is the physical evidence, or physical encounters with alleged hybrids. After all, how do you explain the physical evidence of an abduction, the scoop marks, and implants and what not? If it's a spiritual mental thing, there should be no physical traces. That's where satan's human agents, whoever THEY may be, come into play as discussed in my last blog.
Anyways, onto some of those who support the physical hybrid arguments.
LA Marzulli posted on his blog that someone encountered a possible hybrid in a shopping mall. I probably made some comment in there somewhere, see if you can find it!
http://lamarzulli.wordpress.com/2010/03/18/hybrids-among-us-nephilim/
Weird.
There's also a book called "Raechel's Eyes" about an alleged hybrid "THEY" were trying to integrate into society, except this one failed. I haven't read it, but heard the story somewhere. It was weird, but another one of those ones that's hard to prove.
Betty Andreasson in "Watchers" saw a woman's baby taken from the womb, then placed into a container to finish gestating. This was apparently a baby grey or a hybrid. It wasn't clear. That book is weird anyways, and i would gather there was alot of demonic illusion going on, so maybe this should really be in the first section. The interesting thing though is it triggered an emotional response in Betty.
Then there's Dr. David Jacobs' "The Threat." This book goes through a number of cases where abductees produced hybrids and somehow Jacobs came to a realization that these hybrids were being integrated into our society for some unknown end. Of course, at least some of this data was collected by use of hypnosis, so i would wonder if all or any of it is trustworthy. That seems to be the general problem with UFO alien-human hybrids, there is little in the form of actual physical proof. Still, Jacobs makes a compelling case.
Tom Horn has some interesting thoughts to add to this debate. He maintains that the nephilim in Genesis 6 weren't JUST the children of angels, but also DNA hybrids of animals too. Chimeras. Verse 12 does say that ALL flesh had been corrupted. So perhaps some of every species and most of humanity was hybridized and genetically modified to some extent.
Another weird one, but it would explain the legends of centaurs, satyrs and the like. What makes this relevant now is the transhumanism movement.
This isn't science fiction either. Earlier this year, scientists had admitted to growing 150 human-animal hybrids in a lab. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2017818/Embryos-involving-genes-animals-mixed-humans-produced-secretively-past-years.html
Why would they be doing this?
Sure these were JUST embryos, but the article says there are hybrids being grown in countries WITHOUT regulation. This story is just what we've been told about, how do we know there aren't human animal hybrids that were grown to full term?
Now this was just a lab, not a UFO or abduction scenario, but how do we know there aren't any of those?
So IF there are nephilim around now, why don't we see them?
One argument is that the UFO breeding programs are designed to make the nephilim fit in more.
One theory of mine is that bigfoot, if physical, is a nephilim. I first heard this in a podcast, of course, and it was an interview with a guy who's studied sasquatch for 50 years, since the age of 12. His name escapes me. But at any rate, he maintained that there are a number of UFO flaps that also involve an uptick in bigfoot sightings too.
Here are some articles i found on a message board.
http://www.ufomystic.com/2009/04/09/bigfoot-and-ufos-2/
http://www.w-files.com/files/bfpicklepatch.html
This one is the best. The bigfoot were fired upon, seemingly with no effect, AND there was the smell of sulfur, which has allegedly been reported with a few alien encounters and of course, demonic manifestation.
http://www.mombu.com/aviation/unidentified-flying-objects/t-25-years-ago-today-a-scary-bigfootufo-encounter-3254395.html
Of course, the bigfoot theory may not hold water. There are reports of bigfoot being shot point blank with no effect. If bigfoot were a nephilim, then logically it should have died from a gunshot like the rest of the nephilim in the Bible. This sort of case suggests bigfoot may be yet another illusory demonic manifestation.
Wow, that was a rabbit trail. So aside from the actual creation of human animal hybrids in a lab, there's really little to no physical evidence for alien-human nephilim being made.
However, that doesn't mean it isn't happening. An underground eugenics program run by people and demonic beings under cover of a UFO invasion would fit nicely with satan's earlier, public eugenics plans at the beginning of the 20th century. It certainly has a better PR spin.
That aside, debating hybrids, and looking into it will take you down MANY rabbit trails, many of them into David Icke or New Age/UFO places which is really not a good use of time.
And, even if there is a nephilim/underground eugenics, we are not told about it explicitly in the Bible. Yes, Jesus says Matthew 24 that the end of days would be "like the days of Noah". Does that mean modern nephilim? Some think so, especially in light of the iron mixing with clay in Daniel 2.
But notice one thing. Even if Jesus and Daniel are warning about nephilim in the last days, they don't say believers should do anything about it! We're not supposed to try to stop these programs. We probably can't. We shouldn't live in fear of hybrids among us like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers". God alone will deal with them.
Although Paul tells us:
Epeshians 5:11 - 13
"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [them].
For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light."
And Jesus tells us:
Matthew 10:28 - 30
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered."
So what should Christians do and think about the hybrid phenomena?
We should probably have a basic knowledge about the phenomena, so we can answer those in the conspiracy realm, and use it as a witnessing tool for Christ. Perhaps use someone's interest in alien-human hybrids to tell them it happened before, in Genesis 6, and here's what God will do about it in the end, then show them Revelation, and share the Gospel.
Aside from that, there's really nothing else we can do about it. God alone will deal with it when His Son Jesus Christ returns, ala Revelation 19.
Appendix
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2011-11-17T16_19_15-08_00.mp3
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2011-11-20T15_38_00-08_00.mp3
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UFOs and Abductions part 2: What do Christians say About Physical Evidence
None of this is really my original idea, as i think this is basically a summary of watching too much X-Files, 4 years of listening to Future Quake, Russ Dizdar, LA Marzulli, and a lifetime of reading and studying about UFOs and conspiracies. It's really just a melange of thoughts on just about everything i've ever come across. So, none of this is new.
This is the second version of this article. The first version, i don't know what happened, but it focused more on my working, half-(expletive deleted) theory on who was responsible. Quite honestly, I have 0 evidence, and it really doesn't matter WHO is the human party(ies) involved. What does matter, and what some Christians overlook, is that there is physical evidence of "alien" abductions.
Satan has quite often in his various schemes resorted to using human agents to achieve his goals. Judas Iscariot comes to mind, as does Haman from the book of Esther.
So too with the alien abduction phenomena. While many abductions can be explained as purely demonic phenomena as outlined in article one of this mini-series, and the piles of evidence Joe Jordan and others have compiled.
But there's a huge question that the demonic theory doesn't address. If alien abduction is a purely a spiritual phenomena, why would there be physical evidence?
Some of this physical evidence includes: scoop marks on the skin, waking up in other people's clothes(!) bizarre implants made of unknown materials, residue on an abductee that glows in UV light, an alien hand print on a window and crashed UFOs. This is just a taste. Not every abductee has this stuff going on, but many do.
A famous example of physical evidence is Dr. Roger Leir and the number of "alien" implants that he has removed from people, and when analyzed they exhibit odd properties and emit various electronic transmissions. I'm sure LA Marzulli has some good info on him, so check out the "Alien Interviews". (No, i don't get any money from him, it's just a decent book.)
Where is this physical evidence come from if the greys (or whoever) are only demons?
I personally wouldn't rule out physical effects resulting from some spiritual encounters. The Apostle Paul encountered Jesus and fell off of his horse, and was blinded. Jacob "wrestled with God" and then his hip was injured. Angels have destroyed armies in the Old Testament.
Since abductions are spiritual typically, i believe this could explain some physical evidence.
But there's another angle to consider.
I had a brief correspondence with a Christian podcaster, and he had mentioned on one of his shows about the demon/alien thing being an illusion. I asked him "what about the physical evidence?" He replied via audio (which was super cool) that implants and such probably come from the usual rogue's gallery of the globalist/luciferian people (hereafter referred to as "THEY").
They explained that this could account for the connections with satanic ritual abuse that is supposedly prevalent in alien abductees. It also accounts for the massive harassment by humans in say, Stan Romanek's case.
I was shocked, and yet, it made an incredible amount of sense. It also reminded me of something that i've heard of before.
Joe Montaldo of ICAR (abduction research) frequently refers to "milabs" on his radio shows. He is a really thorough researcher and abductee (with a lot of bias supporting the ET theory) who has collected an enormous amount of abduction data. What is a milab? Milab is short for "military abductions". I don't have specific shows to link to, as I rarely listen to him, but on his ICAR page, he has a link to milabs. While he means military, and probably US Government, I'm content to chalk it up to unknown human agents. Probably serving Satan. Again, THEY.
Here are some of those links, pray up first though, as he could easily lead you astray. Stay rooted in Jesus Christ, and the knowledge that this is meant to deceive. I haven't looked too close at these, mainly because I'm not that into UFOs and abductions anymore, but i am familiar enough with his work to know he doesn't believe in Christ, and supports an ETI hypothesis. Still, his evidence and articles probably have some decent take aways, even if i disagree with his conclusions.
Again, do not be led astray.
General Articles
http://www.icar1.com/MILAB.html
Betty and Barney Hill encounter a "space nazi"
http://www.icar1.com/Betty---Barnie-Hill---Milabs.html
A random case
http://www.icar1.com/investagation2.html
Audio interviews
http://www.icar1.com/Research-Archives-Alien-Abduction.html
One example of a milab is the Betty and Barney Hill Case. Montaldo maintains that the Hills were in fact first taken by "aliens," then later on by the milab folks, which accounts for the contradictions in their stories. I wouldn't be surprised if he was right about an actual "alien" abduction followed by a human one.
There are people who would want to access "alien" information, and there's also human agents just open to doing bad stuff (See the Boeche and Redfern links on previous post) or maybe checking how their experiment went.
Other abductees who seem to have been taken by aliens/demons, and later by milab are:
Whitely Strieber (described i believe in his second book, but the humans had an alien with supposedly.)
Stan Romanek (if not a milab, THEY supposedly break into his house alot.)
Betty Andreasson (again, perhaps not milab, but she reported odd helicopters around her house)
That's just a few.
While one can point fingers and blame certain parties, it really doesn't matter who is doing it. Or even why. The physical evidence in at least some abductions comes from human hands for unknown reasons.
Another thing to consider is that some UFOs, are actually very likely man-made. Whether or not these man-made crafts participate in abductions, is up for debate. But it may explain UFO crashes and such.
These human craft may have been given by demonic inteligence, "UFO" technology. Some claim the Nazis got this, and hence made strides towards making these craft. This theory is everywhere, "Atlantis Magazine" recently featured nazi UFOs, and it also comes up alot in UFO literature and sci-fi with the forthcoming "Iron Sky" film.
Whether it's actually Nazis or not, i don't think it really matters. This is just where i think THEY got the technology from. Take a look at the following links. It may be wholly wrong, because it makes too much sense.
Also, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Nazis
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs
http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump/Vril.and.Andromeda.html
I also recently saw this kind of stuff in the Captain America Movie, and the X-Men Forever comics.
In the "SS Brotherhood of the Bell" by Joseph Farrell, outlines a good case as to why the Nazi's "lost" the war. They had advanced technology, and just went underground with it to continue their ideology, experiments, eugenics stuff and whatnot undisturbed.
Farrell also hints that the bell as being the culprit behind the kecksburg UFO crash, which looked like an acorn, that is BELL. Others have alluded to this as well.
Jim Wilhelmson (i think) said this would also explain the Stephensville lights from a few years ago. A pastor allegedly took video of the lights, and saw flying bell shaped craft. He gave the video to Linda Moulton Howe, and it has yet to be shown to anyone.
Thanks Linda, for your unbiased research and willingness to share knowledge.
"Fate Magazine" had an article about UFOs in the south pole discovered by Admiral Byrd's expedition. This article hinted at a Nazi connection.
Nikola Tesla also had invented alot of stuff, including a theory on making "flying cars" and zeropoint energy. My theory is he was behind the 1897 UFO flap. Perhaps his technology was developed too.
Feel free to dig deeper and come up with your own conclusions. There is alot of controversial evidence, and we are left with questions as to who is doing it, and exactly why. At the very least, there is plenty of evidence answering why there is physical evidence for a spiritual phenomena.
In the end, it doesn't matter who is doing it. We know, as told in the book of Revelation that Jesus Christ wins, and sends those serving Satan into Hell with their master. Jesus wins at the end of the book.
Appendix
Russ Dizdar gives a look at UFOs as a plan to create a nephilim sort of antichrist.
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2011-11-20T15_38_00-08_00.mp3
This is the second version of this article. The first version, i don't know what happened, but it focused more on my working, half-(expletive deleted) theory on who was responsible. Quite honestly, I have 0 evidence, and it really doesn't matter WHO is the human party(ies) involved. What does matter, and what some Christians overlook, is that there is physical evidence of "alien" abductions.
Satan has quite often in his various schemes resorted to using human agents to achieve his goals. Judas Iscariot comes to mind, as does Haman from the book of Esther.
So too with the alien abduction phenomena. While many abductions can be explained as purely demonic phenomena as outlined in article one of this mini-series, and the piles of evidence Joe Jordan and others have compiled.
But there's a huge question that the demonic theory doesn't address. If alien abduction is a purely a spiritual phenomena, why would there be physical evidence?
Some of this physical evidence includes: scoop marks on the skin, waking up in other people's clothes(!) bizarre implants made of unknown materials, residue on an abductee that glows in UV light, an alien hand print on a window and crashed UFOs. This is just a taste. Not every abductee has this stuff going on, but many do.
A famous example of physical evidence is Dr. Roger Leir and the number of "alien" implants that he has removed from people, and when analyzed they exhibit odd properties and emit various electronic transmissions. I'm sure LA Marzulli has some good info on him, so check out the "Alien Interviews". (No, i don't get any money from him, it's just a decent book.)
Where is this physical evidence come from if the greys (or whoever) are only demons?
I personally wouldn't rule out physical effects resulting from some spiritual encounters. The Apostle Paul encountered Jesus and fell off of his horse, and was blinded. Jacob "wrestled with God" and then his hip was injured. Angels have destroyed armies in the Old Testament.
Since abductions are spiritual typically, i believe this could explain some physical evidence.
But there's another angle to consider.
I had a brief correspondence with a Christian podcaster, and he had mentioned on one of his shows about the demon/alien thing being an illusion. I asked him "what about the physical evidence?" He replied via audio (which was super cool) that implants and such probably come from the usual rogue's gallery of the globalist/luciferian people (hereafter referred to as "THEY").
They explained that this could account for the connections with satanic ritual abuse that is supposedly prevalent in alien abductees. It also accounts for the massive harassment by humans in say, Stan Romanek's case.
I was shocked, and yet, it made an incredible amount of sense. It also reminded me of something that i've heard of before.
Joe Montaldo of ICAR (abduction research) frequently refers to "milabs" on his radio shows. He is a really thorough researcher and abductee (with a lot of bias supporting the ET theory) who has collected an enormous amount of abduction data. What is a milab? Milab is short for "military abductions". I don't have specific shows to link to, as I rarely listen to him, but on his ICAR page, he has a link to milabs. While he means military, and probably US Government, I'm content to chalk it up to unknown human agents. Probably serving Satan. Again, THEY.
Here are some of those links, pray up first though, as he could easily lead you astray. Stay rooted in Jesus Christ, and the knowledge that this is meant to deceive. I haven't looked too close at these, mainly because I'm not that into UFOs and abductions anymore, but i am familiar enough with his work to know he doesn't believe in Christ, and supports an ETI hypothesis. Still, his evidence and articles probably have some decent take aways, even if i disagree with his conclusions.
Again, do not be led astray.
General Articles
http://www.icar1.com/MILAB.html
Betty and Barney Hill encounter a "space nazi"
http://www.icar1.com/Betty---Barnie-Hill---Milabs.html
A random case
http://www.icar1.com/investagation2.html
Audio interviews
http://www.icar1.com/Research-Archives-Alien-Abduction.html
One example of a milab is the Betty and Barney Hill Case. Montaldo maintains that the Hills were in fact first taken by "aliens," then later on by the milab folks, which accounts for the contradictions in their stories. I wouldn't be surprised if he was right about an actual "alien" abduction followed by a human one.
There are people who would want to access "alien" information, and there's also human agents just open to doing bad stuff (See the Boeche and Redfern links on previous post) or maybe checking how their experiment went.
Other abductees who seem to have been taken by aliens/demons, and later by milab are:
Whitely Strieber (described i believe in his second book, but the humans had an alien with supposedly.)
Stan Romanek (if not a milab, THEY supposedly break into his house alot.)
Betty Andreasson (again, perhaps not milab, but she reported odd helicopters around her house)
That's just a few.
While one can point fingers and blame certain parties, it really doesn't matter who is doing it. Or even why. The physical evidence in at least some abductions comes from human hands for unknown reasons.
Another thing to consider is that some UFOs, are actually very likely man-made. Whether or not these man-made crafts participate in abductions, is up for debate. But it may explain UFO crashes and such.
These human craft may have been given by demonic inteligence, "UFO" technology. Some claim the Nazis got this, and hence made strides towards making these craft. This theory is everywhere, "Atlantis Magazine" recently featured nazi UFOs, and it also comes up alot in UFO literature and sci-fi with the forthcoming "Iron Sky" film.
Whether it's actually Nazis or not, i don't think it really matters. This is just where i think THEY got the technology from. Take a look at the following links. It may be wholly wrong, because it makes too much sense.
Also, http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Nazis
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_UFOs
http://www.stevequayle.com/High.Jump/Vril.and.Andromeda.html
I also recently saw this kind of stuff in the Captain America Movie, and the X-Men Forever comics.
In the "SS Brotherhood of the Bell" by Joseph Farrell, outlines a good case as to why the Nazi's "lost" the war. They had advanced technology, and just went underground with it to continue their ideology, experiments, eugenics stuff and whatnot undisturbed.
Farrell also hints that the bell as being the culprit behind the kecksburg UFO crash, which looked like an acorn, that is BELL. Others have alluded to this as well.
Jim Wilhelmson (i think) said this would also explain the Stephensville lights from a few years ago. A pastor allegedly took video of the lights, and saw flying bell shaped craft. He gave the video to Linda Moulton Howe, and it has yet to be shown to anyone.
Thanks Linda, for your unbiased research and willingness to share knowledge.
"Fate Magazine" had an article about UFOs in the south pole discovered by Admiral Byrd's expedition. This article hinted at a Nazi connection.
Nikola Tesla also had invented alot of stuff, including a theory on making "flying cars" and zeropoint energy. My theory is he was behind the 1897 UFO flap. Perhaps his technology was developed too.
Feel free to dig deeper and come up with your own conclusions. There is alot of controversial evidence, and we are left with questions as to who is doing it, and exactly why. At the very least, there is plenty of evidence answering why there is physical evidence for a spiritual phenomena.
In the end, it doesn't matter who is doing it. We know, as told in the book of Revelation that Jesus Christ wins, and sends those serving Satan into Hell with their master. Jesus wins at the end of the book.
Appendix
Russ Dizdar gives a look at UFOs as a plan to create a nephilim sort of antichrist.
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2011-11-20T15_38_00-08_00.mp3
UFOs and Abductions Part 1: Dark Spiritual Encounters
This mini series is scant on scripture, mainly because not alot of specifics came to my mind. This post, is mostly an Ephesians 6:12 thing.
In the body of Christ, there's already a number of good folks talking about UFOs. Much of what i have to say is in this series in well line with what they say. I also don't pay as much attention to UFOs as i used to, and won't make a habit of writing about them. This miniseries is basically taking the major threads of publicly available UFOlogy info and trying to make sense of it all from a Christian perspective. It's pure speculation on my part.
It's a mishmash of the Christian folks and sold out UFO = extraplanetary stuff folks.
There are others like Joe Jordan, LA Marzulli, Dante Fortson and Guy Malone among others who do this sort of thing more often and better than me. Even though they disagree on alot, they all have good evidence for their claims.
When looking at alien abductions, we have few options as to who is doing them. A brief look for the one or two of you who have never heard of alien abduction: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_abduction
The general consensus in the field of abductions is that the abductors are one of the following:
1) aliens from another planet that's an absurd distance away
2) extra dimensional beings
3) demonic beings (as described in the Bible)
4) humans using the alien thing as a smoke screen for whatever they are doing. (This was explored in the "X-Files" and comes up occasionally in ICAR's investigations (more on ICAR later))
5) some combination of one of more of the above
6) some sort of physical being meant to look alien
#1- Aliens
It's quite easy to discredit this one based on logically looking at the claims of those who have been contacted by so-called "aliens". I have alot of questions here, that should at least shed some reasonable doubt here.
Why are aliens travelling absurd distances to mutilate cows (allegedly), take people in the night and basically rape them? Why would they need to make hybrids with flawed human beings? Why travel so far to give people spiritual advice?
One claim is they can't reproduce, and thus have to make human-alien hybrids. Where do new grays come from if they can't reproduce?
Betty Andreasson claimed that they did (through people) in "Watchers", yet other accounts I believe she claimed these were grays and not hybrids or that they were modified humans of some sort, that became grays. OK, but this contradicts the claims of other grays saying they're from space and the claims that they can't reproduce. If this works for one set of grays, why do some do it different?
So again, where do new greys come from? A single gray likely could not live for thousands of years, yet if greys have been here for millenia as some claim, how are they able to do so? Let's say alien fred came here 5000 years ago, the died of extreme old age 300-500 years later. How can his species still be around right now, 5000 years later if they can't reproduce?
Certainly grey aliens can't last for thousands of years, they'd have to make new ones to still have greys today, or else they would have died off long ago.
Cloning is an option, but if they can use cloning to perpetuate the species, why not keep doing it? And if you say that cloning works for now, but eventually will lead to extinction or genetic abnormalities, then how have they used it for so long with no problems? Why a sudden need for hybridization over thousands of years?
Also, why do aliens travel billions of miles to "correct" our religions and theology? Why do they tell us that any religion except Christianity is the right path "for you"? And when they tell us spiritual "truth" why does it often contradict itself, and other "space faiths"? These are a few examples from "UFO Religions" by Gregory Reece, a book about religions supposedly started by aliens. Again, why travel interstellar distances to give earth people re-dressed paganism?
The Urantia book claims different things than the book of Mormon. They both were given by "advanced beings" with an outer-space connection. If true, shouldn't they corroborate each other? Why do Mormons say God is an evolved human now living on Kolob, and that Jesus is "God's" first son and Satan's brother, while the Urantians claim that Jesus is really the angel Michael?
Why do Billy Meier's aliens say that Christ was a reincarnation of some ascended being? How would they even know who He is? How is this "true", when other aliens claim they made Him? (I don't know specific cases, but I recall reading that some greys have claimed that they had made Jesus.)
Why do the Aetherius people claim that Jesus was an incarnation of a master? Why does the Nation of Islam say the UFOs will destroy all white people, while others say the UFOs are here to help us? Other aliens supposedly told Hitler (documented in Mein Kampf, according to Joe Montaldo) to do the things he did. Why didn't the aliens just do it, and why would they want Hitler to do it? The "good cop, bad cop" only explains so much. Both sides have similar non-Christian beliefs.
The Raelians claim that their aliens created Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed to teach the world. (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion) if that's the case, why do the teachings of these people contradict each other? (See also http://dontaskthatinchurch.blogspot.com/2011/10/was-jesus-really-just-good-teacher-then.html). Why does this group of aliens contradict the others?
Why do only Scientologists mention Xenu? Why do no other UFO religions mention Thetans, or the other stuff Scientologists believe? Why did a Thetan-cleared Scientologist start the Eckankar religion?
Benjamin Creme has yet another spin on it on Jesus and the goals of the aliens to bring a "world teacher" called Maitreya. Again, this contradicts Nation of Islam's goals.
In short, why do all of these religion's founding aliens have these absurd stories to tell people, and why do their theologies not only disagree with each other, but also disagree with the Bible and who Jesus is?
Why do they travel so far to sell reincarnation which some faiths here already endorse? Why do they all contradict the Bible?
Surely there are better things to do once you've travelled that far. To use a familiar abduction example, we don't fly to the north pole to tranq polar bears, anal probe and make hybrids with them, then tell them it's for their own good, and by the way, what you believe is wrong. Why would aliens do that? It's illogical.
Aliens from so far away would likely have very little knowledge of our faiths, unless they'd been here forever as some argue. But then if there are ancient aliens, and they made our religions, why do none of the religions agree? Muslims can't agree with Hindus, and Jews and Christians with either or each other. Why is it these faiths disagree, especially if these aliens gave them to us for our benefit? Wouldn't it be better "spiritual truth" if the stories supported each other?
In Star trek, the Ferengi have a saying: "keep your lies consistent." Apparently ET hasn't learned the rules of acquisition.
The Bible alone is internally consistent, despite having more that 40 different authors across hundreds, and even thousands of years. Most of these authors never knew each other, yet there are consistent themes and symbolism all throughout. If the Bible is made up, how can this be?
Even the star wars novel series written across less than 40 years by maybe fewer authors can't even manage to get the color of lightsabers right, or the bios of certain characters right, and they have a team of "experts" keeping watch to make sure things stay consistent.
So too with the new age and "space" revelations. They have have had 50 (perhaps thousands if you buy the ancient aliens THEORY.) of years to get their story straight, and have yet to do so. Any group of aliens spouting "truth" should at least be consitent with each other if it's really true.
It shouldn't surprise us though, that these "aliens" preach stories that contradict each other. It also shouldn't surprise us they also talk about a different Jesus. For these aliens from the stars are really "angels from heaven" or demons in disguise.
False Jesus-es (like Rael, Billy Meier) and false paths of spirituality were foretold nearly 2000 years ago in the Bible.
Matthew 24
V 5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
V 24-26
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=24&v=1&t=KJV#1
(See also Mark 13 and Luke 21)
Galatians 1:6 - 9
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gal&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#1
Funny how the Bible can readily explain the "false gospels" of ET so easily.
#2 - Extradimensional Aliens/ Advanced Beings
Some will say that the aliens from other planets are also on a "higher physical plane". OK, but they still fall into the same pitfalls as above. Also, why would a "higher" being need to hybridize with a lower? Like a man with an ape, say? It does the ape no favors, and the human none either. Like the nephilim, offspring of human and angel, they reportedly hated their angelic fathers, and also hated humanity (Book of Enoch). They killed people like crazy, which is one possible reason for the flood.
These "higher beings" also should have their story straight, but haven't got it right after millenia. They do after all, have the advantage of "being more evolved and on a higher plane". So if they're so advanced, why is it so easy to debunk their claims? Whether they're from another star/planet and/or from a "higher plane", they suffer the same mistakes.
The Bible supports this extra-dimensional view, except the "exradimensional being" are called fallen angels (sons of God, Genesis 6), and demons. These beings in the Bible are always seeking to draw people away from God, Jesus Christ and the Bible, which is often what "aliens" are found to be doing. They also try to focus worship onto themselves and will never lead you or anyone else to the truth.
#3-Demonic Beings
This looks really likely, in light of the above and the many testimonies here:
http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4testimonies.htm
Also, go to LA Marzulli's site and get his e-version of alien interviews. That will be pretty much confirmation of this.
Whitley Strieber has also said in his book "Communion" that it was like he had been visited by the demons of old. I recall seeing Carl Sagan say much the same thing citing that the demon encounters of old were near identical to alien encounters. Of course he poo-pooed them both.
I also demonstrated this theory in my multipart look at Betty Andreasson's case.
http://dontaskthatinchurch.blogspot.com/2011/01/alien-abduction-autopsy-betty.html
Interestingly, Andreasson learns her greys call themselves "watchers" which is the title of the fallen angels in the Book of Enoch. Are they the same? I can't say.
Here's an interesting case that supports the view of demons.
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0109/abductions-stopped.html
An interesting case which could also support this view is the Billy Meier (EVERYONE knows about him) case. Though this was pretty much torn to pieces by Open Minds Radio in their recent magazine and shows. They have good evidence to support that Meier is a fraud, and his story often contradicts itself. Joe Montaldo of ICAR has in the past speculated that Meier had some real experiences, then they stopped and then he did alot of the fraud stuff to keep it going.
I agree with Joe, that Meier had encounters, then produced fake pictures and stuff just to stay in the spotlight. His contact with alleged aliens fits quite well with the demonic theory.
Semjase an "alien" who contacted Meier, has a name which is quite close to Semjaza in the Book of Enoch. Meier and his crew refute this by saying the pronunciation is different...that's just semantics as far as I'm concerned. "Eye-gor" vs Ee-gor is still the same humpback helping Young Frankenstein.
At any rate, Meier supposedly gets "prophetic" words and predictions from his supposed contacts, which if true, are not messages from the Pleieades, but messages from Satan. They teach lies about Jesus, and claim Meier is an equal with Christ. See Galatians 1 above.
These aliens claim that they are not only aliens, but on something like the equivalent of another dimension which is why most of us can't see them. I wonder who else is like that? Right. Demons. This is the sort of alien you see working in "Ashtar Command" or various galactic federations. You also see this with Blossom Goodchild, who channels not only dead spirits, but New Age messages from "space brothers."
Lynn Dickie (set the captives free) used to do "Lightworker" stuff, like reiki and i believe channellings. They claimed to be aliens and had her take many pictures of UFOs. When she came to Christ, they revealed their true nature.
The most damning evidence that "alien" abductions, and the UFO phenomena is demonic/satanic is that Aleister Crowley, who admittedly practiced "magick", encountered an entity, Lam, which looks quite similar to the alien greys. The author of the following article mentions that many Crowleynian magicians seek out the Betty Andreasson "Watchers II" book. This article explores the connection in depth. Armor up first though.
http://www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm
We know in the Bible that those who practice witchcraft (like Crowley), are really in touch with demons. 1 Corinthians 10 explains that those who worship idols (which is pretty much a magical ritual) really are praying to devils.
2 Corinthians 11 tells us that Satan presents himself as an angel of light, which would explain the "nordic" aliens, as well as the aliens of all stripes that present themselves as here for our good. 1 Timothy 4 tells us that people will believe "doctrines of demons" which is exactly what people are doing when they start following the teachings of these "aliens".
#4 -Humans
Will be covered more in depth in the next article which covers what ICAR calls "milabs". I really don't know much about this aside from whats out there in podcasts. Actually really anything outside of Joe Montaldo, and one of Strieber's books.
There was also an interview with Open Minds that Alejandro Rojas did with Gabe Valdez (and later Norio Hayakawa sp?) That may be related. This article gets into that a bit, you can probably dig the interviews up at open minds' archives.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/alejandro-rojas/cattle-mutiliations_b_932711.html
#5-Some Sort of Hodgepodge
The fact that so many stories are so different, yet also similar suggests that one, or more of the above are occuring.
We can see there is demonic power at work, and there is good evidence of human involvement also, though i would not venture to what extent there is. Human involvement would explain why there is physical evidence, such as crashes, implants and so on in an otherwise spiritual phenomena.
I also once read an article by someone who claimed that as a child, they were ritually abused and also dressed as an alien while adult earth-humans did the abduction scenario. I really wish i had a link on this. This would explain the satanic ritual abuse connection cited in so many abductions.
This idea was sort of explored in the "X-Files" episode, "Jose Chung's From Outerspace." Must see.
But human involvement doesn't explain how abductions can be stopped in Christ's name. This situation was also one article, without any real attribution, so i can't vett it in any event. Take that merely as a possibility, i don't think this could explain every abduction.
If you want to dig deeper into possible human involvement with UFOs, Nick Redfern and Ray Boeche have been partial to interviews on Future Quake.
http://futurequake.com/Audio/FQShow231.mp3
http://futurequake.com/Audio/FQShow211.mp3
We also know that Satan sometimes works in concert with humans, using them, as in the cases of Haman, and Judas. So, seeing a collaboration in the UFO phenomena should be expected.
#6-some sort of physical being, meant to look like aliens
This one gets out there. I don't have much in the form of links, just what i've randomly stumbled across researching UFOs.
There's the aforementioned "dress up" scenario, where humans play the part of aliens.
There's an option that grays are some sort of robot, or golem/homonculous. That is, some sort of physical automaton under demonic control. This is pure speculation on my part, BUT Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons (i think) were both rumored to be trying to create a homonculous, that is a golem. This would explain the often robotic nature of the greys and why Betty Andreasson's aliens looked like clay to her, but again, it doesn't explain many other cases, and doesn't fit well over all.
Lastly, perhaps greys and other aliens are some sort of genetic chimera, to give demons a temporary body. I believe Darrell Simms, or someone on Montaldo's shows claimed they caught a grey by surprise and killed it with a samurai sword. Unbelieveable i know, but what up to this point about UFOs has been believable? Anyways, this guys dog ate part of it, and DIED several days later! He also had some of it sent for analysis and had some interesting results that i can't recall. Must have been really interesting.
So, hopefully this sheds some light on one aspect of UFOlogy. It's interesting to note that these "aliens" often say they don't reveal themselves because we would worship them as gods, yet thats what some are doing anyways. Not to mention, they are leading people away from the Bible and into false religions and cults. If they didn't want to affect our religions, then why are they? It's classic paganism/eastern mysticism.
For more information, there are a number of UFO sources to read, many of them biased. A decent one is Jim Marrs' "Alien Agenda." If you read it, make sure you put on the armor of God and pray as you read it. With the knowledge that UFOs are a plot of Satan, you'll find plenty of decent evidence of the reality of UFOs, but also evidence that they are not aliens, or of God, but demons and fallen angels with an agenda.
The last part of the book is quite New Agey, but the reports from remote viewers shed alot of light on some of Satan's schemes. Again, the book is deceptive, so make sure you go into it with God, and cling to Jesus.
Updat 2-2012
Russ Dizdar, shatter the darkness discusses ancient aliens
Pt1
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2012-02-06T16_43_12-08_00.mp3
Pt 2
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2012-02-07T16_41_15-08_00.mp3
Pt 3
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2012-02-08T20_53_41-08_00.mp3
Pt 4
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2012-02-09T16_26_07-08_00.mp3
Pt 5
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2012-02-10T21_10_10-08_00.mp3
In the body of Christ, there's already a number of good folks talking about UFOs. Much of what i have to say is in this series in well line with what they say. I also don't pay as much attention to UFOs as i used to, and won't make a habit of writing about them. This miniseries is basically taking the major threads of publicly available UFOlogy info and trying to make sense of it all from a Christian perspective. It's pure speculation on my part.
It's a mishmash of the Christian folks and sold out UFO = extraplanetary stuff folks.
There are others like Joe Jordan, LA Marzulli, Dante Fortson and Guy Malone among others who do this sort of thing more often and better than me. Even though they disagree on alot, they all have good evidence for their claims.
When looking at alien abductions, we have few options as to who is doing them. A brief look for the one or two of you who have never heard of alien abduction: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_abduction
The general consensus in the field of abductions is that the abductors are one of the following:
1) aliens from another planet that's an absurd distance away
2) extra dimensional beings
3) demonic beings (as described in the Bible)
4) humans using the alien thing as a smoke screen for whatever they are doing. (This was explored in the "X-Files" and comes up occasionally in ICAR's investigations (more on ICAR later))
5) some combination of one of more of the above
6) some sort of physical being meant to look alien
#1- Aliens
It's quite easy to discredit this one based on logically looking at the claims of those who have been contacted by so-called "aliens". I have alot of questions here, that should at least shed some reasonable doubt here.
Why are aliens travelling absurd distances to mutilate cows (allegedly), take people in the night and basically rape them? Why would they need to make hybrids with flawed human beings? Why travel so far to give people spiritual advice?
One claim is they can't reproduce, and thus have to make human-alien hybrids. Where do new grays come from if they can't reproduce?
Betty Andreasson claimed that they did (through people) in "Watchers", yet other accounts I believe she claimed these were grays and not hybrids or that they were modified humans of some sort, that became grays. OK, but this contradicts the claims of other grays saying they're from space and the claims that they can't reproduce. If this works for one set of grays, why do some do it different?
So again, where do new greys come from? A single gray likely could not live for thousands of years, yet if greys have been here for millenia as some claim, how are they able to do so? Let's say alien fred came here 5000 years ago, the died of extreme old age 300-500 years later. How can his species still be around right now, 5000 years later if they can't reproduce?
Certainly grey aliens can't last for thousands of years, they'd have to make new ones to still have greys today, or else they would have died off long ago.
Cloning is an option, but if they can use cloning to perpetuate the species, why not keep doing it? And if you say that cloning works for now, but eventually will lead to extinction or genetic abnormalities, then how have they used it for so long with no problems? Why a sudden need for hybridization over thousands of years?
Also, why do aliens travel billions of miles to "correct" our religions and theology? Why do they tell us that any religion except Christianity is the right path "for you"? And when they tell us spiritual "truth" why does it often contradict itself, and other "space faiths"? These are a few examples from "UFO Religions" by Gregory Reece, a book about religions supposedly started by aliens. Again, why travel interstellar distances to give earth people re-dressed paganism?
The Urantia book claims different things than the book of Mormon. They both were given by "advanced beings" with an outer-space connection. If true, shouldn't they corroborate each other? Why do Mormons say God is an evolved human now living on Kolob, and that Jesus is "God's" first son and Satan's brother, while the Urantians claim that Jesus is really the angel Michael?
Why do Billy Meier's aliens say that Christ was a reincarnation of some ascended being? How would they even know who He is? How is this "true", when other aliens claim they made Him? (I don't know specific cases, but I recall reading that some greys have claimed that they had made Jesus.)
Why do the Aetherius people claim that Jesus was an incarnation of a master? Why does the Nation of Islam say the UFOs will destroy all white people, while others say the UFOs are here to help us? Other aliens supposedly told Hitler (documented in Mein Kampf, according to Joe Montaldo) to do the things he did. Why didn't the aliens just do it, and why would they want Hitler to do it? The "good cop, bad cop" only explains so much. Both sides have similar non-Christian beliefs.
The Raelians claim that their aliens created Jesus, Buddha and Mohammed to teach the world. (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion) if that's the case, why do the teachings of these people contradict each other? (See also http://dontaskthatinchurch.blogspot.com/2011/10/was-jesus-really-just-good-teacher-then.html). Why does this group of aliens contradict the others?
Why do only Scientologists mention Xenu? Why do no other UFO religions mention Thetans, or the other stuff Scientologists believe? Why did a Thetan-cleared Scientologist start the Eckankar religion?
Benjamin Creme has yet another spin on it on Jesus and the goals of the aliens to bring a "world teacher" called Maitreya. Again, this contradicts Nation of Islam's goals.
In short, why do all of these religion's founding aliens have these absurd stories to tell people, and why do their theologies not only disagree with each other, but also disagree with the Bible and who Jesus is?
Why do they travel so far to sell reincarnation which some faiths here already endorse? Why do they all contradict the Bible?
Surely there are better things to do once you've travelled that far. To use a familiar abduction example, we don't fly to the north pole to tranq polar bears, anal probe and make hybrids with them, then tell them it's for their own good, and by the way, what you believe is wrong. Why would aliens do that? It's illogical.
Aliens from so far away would likely have very little knowledge of our faiths, unless they'd been here forever as some argue. But then if there are ancient aliens, and they made our religions, why do none of the religions agree? Muslims can't agree with Hindus, and Jews and Christians with either or each other. Why is it these faiths disagree, especially if these aliens gave them to us for our benefit? Wouldn't it be better "spiritual truth" if the stories supported each other?
In Star trek, the Ferengi have a saying: "keep your lies consistent." Apparently ET hasn't learned the rules of acquisition.
The Bible alone is internally consistent, despite having more that 40 different authors across hundreds, and even thousands of years. Most of these authors never knew each other, yet there are consistent themes and symbolism all throughout. If the Bible is made up, how can this be?
Even the star wars novel series written across less than 40 years by maybe fewer authors can't even manage to get the color of lightsabers right, or the bios of certain characters right, and they have a team of "experts" keeping watch to make sure things stay consistent.
So too with the new age and "space" revelations. They have have had 50 (perhaps thousands if you buy the ancient aliens THEORY.) of years to get their story straight, and have yet to do so. Any group of aliens spouting "truth" should at least be consitent with each other if it's really true.
It shouldn't surprise us though, that these "aliens" preach stories that contradict each other. It also shouldn't surprise us they also talk about a different Jesus. For these aliens from the stars are really "angels from heaven" or demons in disguise.
False Jesus-es (like Rael, Billy Meier) and false paths of spirituality were foretold nearly 2000 years ago in the Bible.
Matthew 24
V 5
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
V 24-26
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, [he is] in the secret chambers; believe [it] not.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=24&v=1&t=KJV#1
(See also Mark 13 and Luke 21)
Galatians 1:6 - 9
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Gal&c=1&v=1&t=KJV#1
Funny how the Bible can readily explain the "false gospels" of ET so easily.
#2 - Extradimensional Aliens/ Advanced Beings
Some will say that the aliens from other planets are also on a "higher physical plane". OK, but they still fall into the same pitfalls as above. Also, why would a "higher" being need to hybridize with a lower? Like a man with an ape, say? It does the ape no favors, and the human none either. Like the nephilim, offspring of human and angel, they reportedly hated their angelic fathers, and also hated humanity (Book of Enoch). They killed people like crazy, which is one possible reason for the flood.
These "higher beings" also should have their story straight, but haven't got it right after millenia. They do after all, have the advantage of "being more evolved and on a higher plane". So if they're so advanced, why is it so easy to debunk their claims? Whether they're from another star/planet and/or from a "higher plane", they suffer the same mistakes.
The Bible supports this extra-dimensional view, except the "exradimensional being" are called fallen angels (sons of God, Genesis 6), and demons. These beings in the Bible are always seeking to draw people away from God, Jesus Christ and the Bible, which is often what "aliens" are found to be doing. They also try to focus worship onto themselves and will never lead you or anyone else to the truth.
#3-Demonic Beings
This looks really likely, in light of the above and the many testimonies here:
http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4testimonies.htm
Also, go to LA Marzulli's site and get his e-version of alien interviews. That will be pretty much confirmation of this.
Whitley Strieber has also said in his book "Communion" that it was like he had been visited by the demons of old. I recall seeing Carl Sagan say much the same thing citing that the demon encounters of old were near identical to alien encounters. Of course he poo-pooed them both.
I also demonstrated this theory in my multipart look at Betty Andreasson's case.
http://dontaskthatinchurch.blogspot.com/2011/01/alien-abduction-autopsy-betty.html
Interestingly, Andreasson learns her greys call themselves "watchers" which is the title of the fallen angels in the Book of Enoch. Are they the same? I can't say.
Here's an interesting case that supports the view of demons.
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/0109/abductions-stopped.html
An interesting case which could also support this view is the Billy Meier (EVERYONE knows about him) case. Though this was pretty much torn to pieces by Open Minds Radio in their recent magazine and shows. They have good evidence to support that Meier is a fraud, and his story often contradicts itself. Joe Montaldo of ICAR has in the past speculated that Meier had some real experiences, then they stopped and then he did alot of the fraud stuff to keep it going.
I agree with Joe, that Meier had encounters, then produced fake pictures and stuff just to stay in the spotlight. His contact with alleged aliens fits quite well with the demonic theory.
Semjase an "alien" who contacted Meier, has a name which is quite close to Semjaza in the Book of Enoch. Meier and his crew refute this by saying the pronunciation is different...that's just semantics as far as I'm concerned. "Eye-gor" vs Ee-gor is still the same humpback helping Young Frankenstein.
At any rate, Meier supposedly gets "prophetic" words and predictions from his supposed contacts, which if true, are not messages from the Pleieades, but messages from Satan. They teach lies about Jesus, and claim Meier is an equal with Christ. See Galatians 1 above.
These aliens claim that they are not only aliens, but on something like the equivalent of another dimension which is why most of us can't see them. I wonder who else is like that? Right. Demons. This is the sort of alien you see working in "Ashtar Command" or various galactic federations. You also see this with Blossom Goodchild, who channels not only dead spirits, but New Age messages from "space brothers."
Lynn Dickie (set the captives free) used to do "Lightworker" stuff, like reiki and i believe channellings. They claimed to be aliens and had her take many pictures of UFOs. When she came to Christ, they revealed their true nature.
The most damning evidence that "alien" abductions, and the UFO phenomena is demonic/satanic is that Aleister Crowley, who admittedly practiced "magick", encountered an entity, Lam, which looks quite similar to the alien greys. The author of the following article mentions that many Crowleynian magicians seek out the Betty Andreasson "Watchers II" book. This article explores the connection in depth. Armor up first though.
http://www.boudillion.com/lam/lam.htm
We know in the Bible that those who practice witchcraft (like Crowley), are really in touch with demons. 1 Corinthians 10 explains that those who worship idols (which is pretty much a magical ritual) really are praying to devils.
2 Corinthians 11 tells us that Satan presents himself as an angel of light, which would explain the "nordic" aliens, as well as the aliens of all stripes that present themselves as here for our good. 1 Timothy 4 tells us that people will believe "doctrines of demons" which is exactly what people are doing when they start following the teachings of these "aliens".
#4 -Humans
Will be covered more in depth in the next article which covers what ICAR calls "milabs". I really don't know much about this aside from whats out there in podcasts. Actually really anything outside of Joe Montaldo, and one of Strieber's books.
There was also an interview with Open Minds that Alejandro Rojas did with Gabe Valdez (and later Norio Hayakawa sp?) That may be related. This article gets into that a bit, you can probably dig the interviews up at open minds' archives.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/alejandro-rojas/cattle-mutiliations_b_932711.html
#5-Some Sort of Hodgepodge
The fact that so many stories are so different, yet also similar suggests that one, or more of the above are occuring.
We can see there is demonic power at work, and there is good evidence of human involvement also, though i would not venture to what extent there is. Human involvement would explain why there is physical evidence, such as crashes, implants and so on in an otherwise spiritual phenomena.
I also once read an article by someone who claimed that as a child, they were ritually abused and also dressed as an alien while adult earth-humans did the abduction scenario. I really wish i had a link on this. This would explain the satanic ritual abuse connection cited in so many abductions.
This idea was sort of explored in the "X-Files" episode, "Jose Chung's From Outerspace." Must see.
But human involvement doesn't explain how abductions can be stopped in Christ's name. This situation was also one article, without any real attribution, so i can't vett it in any event. Take that merely as a possibility, i don't think this could explain every abduction.
If you want to dig deeper into possible human involvement with UFOs, Nick Redfern and Ray Boeche have been partial to interviews on Future Quake.
http://futurequake.com/Audio/FQShow231.mp3
http://futurequake.com/Audio/FQShow211.mp3
We also know that Satan sometimes works in concert with humans, using them, as in the cases of Haman, and Judas. So, seeing a collaboration in the UFO phenomena should be expected.
#6-some sort of physical being, meant to look like aliens
This one gets out there. I don't have much in the form of links, just what i've randomly stumbled across researching UFOs.
There's the aforementioned "dress up" scenario, where humans play the part of aliens.
There's an option that grays are some sort of robot, or golem/homonculous. That is, some sort of physical automaton under demonic control. This is pure speculation on my part, BUT Aleister Crowley and Jack Parsons (i think) were both rumored to be trying to create a homonculous, that is a golem. This would explain the often robotic nature of the greys and why Betty Andreasson's aliens looked like clay to her, but again, it doesn't explain many other cases, and doesn't fit well over all.
Lastly, perhaps greys and other aliens are some sort of genetic chimera, to give demons a temporary body. I believe Darrell Simms, or someone on Montaldo's shows claimed they caught a grey by surprise and killed it with a samurai sword. Unbelieveable i know, but what up to this point about UFOs has been believable? Anyways, this guys dog ate part of it, and DIED several days later! He also had some of it sent for analysis and had some interesting results that i can't recall. Must have been really interesting.
So, hopefully this sheds some light on one aspect of UFOlogy. It's interesting to note that these "aliens" often say they don't reveal themselves because we would worship them as gods, yet thats what some are doing anyways. Not to mention, they are leading people away from the Bible and into false religions and cults. If they didn't want to affect our religions, then why are they? It's classic paganism/eastern mysticism.
For more information, there are a number of UFO sources to read, many of them biased. A decent one is Jim Marrs' "Alien Agenda." If you read it, make sure you put on the armor of God and pray as you read it. With the knowledge that UFOs are a plot of Satan, you'll find plenty of decent evidence of the reality of UFOs, but also evidence that they are not aliens, or of God, but demons and fallen angels with an agenda.
The last part of the book is quite New Agey, but the reports from remote viewers shed alot of light on some of Satan's schemes. Again, the book is deceptive, so make sure you go into it with God, and cling to Jesus.
Updat 2-2012
Russ Dizdar, shatter the darkness discusses ancient aliens
Pt1
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2012-02-06T16_43_12-08_00.mp3
Pt 2
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2012-02-07T16_41_15-08_00.mp3
Pt 3
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2012-02-08T20_53_41-08_00.mp3
Pt 4
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2012-02-09T16_26_07-08_00.mp3
Pt 5
http://preemptionbroadcast.podomatic.com/enclosure/2012-02-10T21_10_10-08_00.mp3
Monday, December 5, 2011
2012 Predictions
Here's my disclaimer. This is not an infallible prediction, nor is it a prophecy, or a "thus saith the Lord." This is me, making a haphazard crapshoot on what i think will happen in 2012. This is based on trends that i think i see. So, please feel free to comment and share your own thoughts and predictions.
This is all wild speculation, for fun, but also somewhat serious based on serious information and possibilities given the current situation.
I am not a prophet, don't stone me if i'm wrong.
1) First, politics. Boy is it ugly. My first thought is Obama's approval rating probably ain't that good, so unless he has an epic campaign again, i can't see him winning. The birth certificate thing, while However, given the republican line up, i think he'd probably win. Herman Cain seems to have been taken out. Donald Trump is a joke, and no one likes Newt.
Here's what i think. America is finally wising up to "the man" or the fact that our two party system is not only corrupt, it's unfixable. There's Occupy meetings everywhere, the TSA is getting out of hand, etc. etc.
So, remember how Obama was hyped up in the news media, then he got voted in? I think this is happening in the independent media for Ron Paul. He's being "shunned" by the mainstream press, which is building his street cred and anti-establishment mystique. He's also the darling of everyone who's fed up with everything. So, he'll build the grass roots support he needs, and that Ralph Nader fantasizes about.
And Ron Paul will become the next president, with Jesse Ventura as VP.
Together they'd be unstoppable. But even with those two in office, nothing would change. Which is why I'm writing in Captain America with Dante Forston's group.
If the right-left wing flapping keeps happening, expect the losing side to grow even more resentful. If repub wins, dems will complain, and so the opposite if Obama wins again.
2) Mayan Calender/Return of Nephilim gods, etc.
This one's a toughie. On one hand, you have not only the Mayan calender but other occult calenders "ending" in 2012 as well. At least according to Tom Horn. This is assuming that he hasn't done some creative number work to end up at this conclusion. He's also got some theories outlined in his book (Apollyon Rising). There are other Christians as well who feel that 2012 will have some interesting events including any number of things. One of the weirdest is a return of "the gods" (fallen angels/nephilim)
I don't know what to think. On one hand, you have a bunch of pagan and New Age sources, which are demonically inspired, pointing to some huge event in the next year. We all know the Bible forbids consulting mediums and fortune telling, etc.
On the other, you have Christians saying similar stuff, and sort of buying into it and putting a Christian spin on it.
I will concede that we are being conditioned to accept something amazing, perhaps like a "god". There's alot of movies (more than 300 movies since the 50's about aliens) and also stuff like Thor, X-men, and the Immortals. But does that mean fallen angels and/or nephilim are coming back? Does it mean 2012 will see that?
I don't know. I don't want to put any stock in demonic sources or science fiction. I think 2012 will have a definite increase in paranormal activity, and occult stuff. Probably more people getting demonized casually and deliberately. And more normalization of paranormal things.
Sadly, i think Christians will continue to get caught up in it. You wouldn't believe how many Christians are doing Yoga or Qigong. One of the most popular searches getting people here is "Christian qigong". There's also "Christian" people like Perry Stone selling books on new age dream techniques. So, more Christians getting into it.
2011 has seen a huge increase in interest in the paranormal. The last few years teen paranormal romance novels have taken off. Ghosthunters and UFO stuff is also off the hook.
So, this trend will continue, with many outside of the Church being drawn in, but also many in the Church will also add some occult to their faith. But i don't think there will be a culmination, or anything else to really worry about in 2012.
3) The Economy
I think the EU will probably dissolve. What i think will happen, based on nothing really, is that the economically strong nations of Europe will abandon the lesser nations and re-form into a ten state EU. Maybe this is the "beast" kingdom, maybe it's only meant to make us think it is. This is a wild shot out there.
I think America will default, unless we can keep things going until after the election. What this means? Lawlessness probably. Along with the persecution of Christians. Perhaps America will start to become a communist state. Better watch "If Footmen Tire you, what Will Horses do?"
Generally, i expect we'll see an increase in general lawlessness (I hope i'm wrong) for any number of reasons. The economy, black awakening (or similar kind of thing).
4) Christianity
I think some interesting things are coming to us. I think true believers will begin to see some persecution, while fringe stuff like Dominionism and "blab it and grab it" stuff will gain precidence.
5) World War III
The middle east is nearing a boiling point, we see wars and rumors of wars everywhere. Iran recently shot one of our drones down (supposedly). The whole region is poised for war. Alpert Pike/Manly P Hall said (I heard this on Future Quake long ago) that they needed 3 World Wars, then they could bring out their "world leader." Is it actually true? Who know, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see an official escalation of war into Wolrd War III. Or perhaps we've been in it and have called it the war on terror. Just a thought.
This is all wild speculation, for fun, but also somewhat serious based on serious information and possibilities given the current situation.
I am not a prophet, don't stone me if i'm wrong.
1) First, politics. Boy is it ugly. My first thought is Obama's approval rating probably ain't that good, so unless he has an epic campaign again, i can't see him winning. The birth certificate thing, while However, given the republican line up, i think he'd probably win. Herman Cain seems to have been taken out. Donald Trump is a joke, and no one likes Newt.
Here's what i think. America is finally wising up to "the man" or the fact that our two party system is not only corrupt, it's unfixable. There's Occupy meetings everywhere, the TSA is getting out of hand, etc. etc.
So, remember how Obama was hyped up in the news media, then he got voted in? I think this is happening in the independent media for Ron Paul. He's being "shunned" by the mainstream press, which is building his street cred and anti-establishment mystique. He's also the darling of everyone who's fed up with everything. So, he'll build the grass roots support he needs, and that Ralph Nader fantasizes about.
And Ron Paul will become the next president, with Jesse Ventura as VP.
Together they'd be unstoppable. But even with those two in office, nothing would change. Which is why I'm writing in Captain America with Dante Forston's group.
If the right-left wing flapping keeps happening, expect the losing side to grow even more resentful. If repub wins, dems will complain, and so the opposite if Obama wins again.
2) Mayan Calender/Return of Nephilim gods, etc.
This one's a toughie. On one hand, you have not only the Mayan calender but other occult calenders "ending" in 2012 as well. At least according to Tom Horn. This is assuming that he hasn't done some creative number work to end up at this conclusion. He's also got some theories outlined in his book (Apollyon Rising). There are other Christians as well who feel that 2012 will have some interesting events including any number of things. One of the weirdest is a return of "the gods" (fallen angels/nephilim)
I don't know what to think. On one hand, you have a bunch of pagan and New Age sources, which are demonically inspired, pointing to some huge event in the next year. We all know the Bible forbids consulting mediums and fortune telling, etc.
On the other, you have Christians saying similar stuff, and sort of buying into it and putting a Christian spin on it.
I will concede that we are being conditioned to accept something amazing, perhaps like a "god". There's alot of movies (more than 300 movies since the 50's about aliens) and also stuff like Thor, X-men, and the Immortals. But does that mean fallen angels and/or nephilim are coming back? Does it mean 2012 will see that?
I don't know. I don't want to put any stock in demonic sources or science fiction. I think 2012 will have a definite increase in paranormal activity, and occult stuff. Probably more people getting demonized casually and deliberately. And more normalization of paranormal things.
Sadly, i think Christians will continue to get caught up in it. You wouldn't believe how many Christians are doing Yoga or Qigong. One of the most popular searches getting people here is "Christian qigong". There's also "Christian" people like Perry Stone selling books on new age dream techniques. So, more Christians getting into it.
2011 has seen a huge increase in interest in the paranormal. The last few years teen paranormal romance novels have taken off. Ghosthunters and UFO stuff is also off the hook.
So, this trend will continue, with many outside of the Church being drawn in, but also many in the Church will also add some occult to their faith. But i don't think there will be a culmination, or anything else to really worry about in 2012.
3) The Economy
I think the EU will probably dissolve. What i think will happen, based on nothing really, is that the economically strong nations of Europe will abandon the lesser nations and re-form into a ten state EU. Maybe this is the "beast" kingdom, maybe it's only meant to make us think it is. This is a wild shot out there.
I think America will default, unless we can keep things going until after the election. What this means? Lawlessness probably. Along with the persecution of Christians. Perhaps America will start to become a communist state. Better watch "If Footmen Tire you, what Will Horses do?"
Generally, i expect we'll see an increase in general lawlessness (I hope i'm wrong) for any number of reasons. The economy, black awakening (or similar kind of thing).
4) Christianity
I think some interesting things are coming to us. I think true believers will begin to see some persecution, while fringe stuff like Dominionism and "blab it and grab it" stuff will gain precidence.
5) World War III
The middle east is nearing a boiling point, we see wars and rumors of wars everywhere. Iran recently shot one of our drones down (supposedly). The whole region is poised for war. Alpert Pike/Manly P Hall said (I heard this on Future Quake long ago) that they needed 3 World Wars, then they could bring out their "world leader." Is it actually true? Who know, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see an official escalation of war into Wolrd War III. Or perhaps we've been in it and have called it the war on terror. Just a thought.
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