Thursday, February 23, 2012


Sorry, no funny title on this one. It's a heavy topic, so if you are looking for the forgiveness part, skip to the very end or at least know that the best part is at the end.

I was recently engaged in an online debate on this subject on a blog that shall remain nameless. This unamed blog is almost militantly pro-choice and antiChristian. i was as rational as one can be, posted links to logical sources, etc. and didn't even drag religion into it. I have now found the whole thread of discussion deleted, so much for free speech.

I bring that story up to demonstrate that this is a touchy topic for people. Why? For pro-life, it's clear, a human life is at stake. I guess what i don't understand the most is why the pro-choice crowds so fervently support "women's rights". They often see the unborn fetus as a "non-being" and less than an animal. The choice crowd accuses the life crowd of emotional this or that, but in my experience use their emotions to justify their point.

Abortion is a choice alright as with all things we do. Before making a choice though, people do need to educate themselves.

I doubt this will convince pro-choicers, but for all sides of the table here are some things we need to know about abortion. This will be as rational as possible, but at the end I will share some Biblical thought as well.

One common argument in favor of "choice" is that the baby (fetus) is not actually a human being, because it cannot survive outside of the womb without the mother. That argument makes no sense, and when you expose its fallacy, it doesn't actually win any points. If this is true, that dependency on mom or another human being for life can make one human or not, then those with physical and mental dependency needs may not qualify as human. That's pretty much what Nazi Germany said, but they later extended that definition to Jews and many others. The Nazi eugenics program is a whole topic unto itself.

Even though to a rational person, dependency on another for survival doesn't make someone less human, are there any other factors to consider? What else may qualify a fetus as a human for those who want to split hairs?

In this link ( we have a rational look at abortion, and I would say adequate proof of a fetus' human or personhood. See this quote:

"Abortion is the unnatural termination of a pregnancy by killing (at least) one human fetus. This definition is not contested, and I think it seems clear that it is correct. Science confirms that life begins at conception,[3] and that this life is human is a—scientific as well as logical—necessity, because it is the product of two humans, and humans can only produce humans. Ergo, the fetus involved is human. Secondly, the fetus is, at least scientifically speaking, a singular and individual organism, as evidenced by his own unique genetic make-up, which he shares with no other human being on earth (unless he have an identical twin). There is thus an essential difference between a human fetus and, say, a tumor or similar parasite. Finally, that the fetus is alive is confirmed through empirical observation, and hence forcing that life to come to an end involves at least some sort of killing. Therefore, the unavoidable conclusion is that abortion deliberately and forcibly puts to death a human being. Again, this definition is uncontested and thus I shall not dwell on it any further. Rather, I shall now turn to the moral implications necessarily connected with abortion."

"[3] Even former Planned Parenthood president Alan Guttmacher admitted as much in his book Planning Your Family: The Complete Guide to Contraception and Fertility (New York, NY: Macmillan Co., 1964), 28. Numerous quotes from scientists and physicians that testify that human life begins at conception can be found in Randy Alcorn, Prolife Answers to Prochoice Arguments, exp. ed. (Sisters, OR: Multnomah Publishers, 2001), 51-55."

The author of that article goes on to address that the fact that humans do kill each other for capital punishment, etc. However, I can think of no logical reason to extend any of that logic in defense of killing an unborn child.

Some possible further evidence supporting this position. A few years ago a director for Planned Parenthood (some say abortions R us due to their lack of interest in helping people get pregnant) watched the video of an abortion and became involved in pro-life efforts! A picture is truly worth 1,000 words.

Moving on from this angle we get into a little more yucky territory. This blog author i mentioned, often parrots this excuse to justify abortion. I will paraphrase.

(Many abortions are performed on African American women, in poor areas...these babies would have birth defects and disabilities, etc, etc. They can't afford to have babies, etc.)

I am shocked anyone would use that as an argument to support pro-choice. So abortion is OK because why? They're poor? They're black? Still, it brings up perhaps my main point: abortion is genocide.

The UN convention on genocide states:

"The Convention defines genocide as any of a number of acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within
the group, and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The Convention also declares that there shall be no immunity. Persons committing this crime shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals."

Read that part again, "imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group". Unfortunately, since many make the choice themselves to prevent the births, charging anyone would be difficult. Yay choice!

Connections to genocide and eugenics doesn't seem to stop support for abortion.

The website: has some great information insinuates blacks are targeted for abortions. There are some graphic photos, but the information is great. An interview with someone of that group i believe (

They have a shocking comparison between Nazi eugenic laws, justification for slavery and now abortion ( They also maintain that 78% of Planned Parenthood sites exist in "minority" areas and that blacks make up 35% (and 52% of all black pregnancies, link later) of all American abortions. ( They also point out the fact that PP's founder, Margaret Sanger was at heart into eugenics.

To be fair, she thought the Nazis were on the wrong track, and instead she favored forced sterilizations for the "feeble minded". Also, rather than killing grown adults she sought to prevent pregnancies, or kill the babies in utero.

Unfortunately, people in the African American community helped her get a foothold in the minority communities. W.E.B. Dubois, Martin Luther King Jr. (he at least received and accepted the Margaret Sanger award) and some African American Churches helped Planned Parenthood establish a presence. Whatever her end goal, Sanger's eugenics ideology inspired her work on abortion, and this has continued to haunt the black community.


Other M.S. Award winners include Lyndon Johnson and John D Rockefeller III who seems to want to reduce the third world population (

More on Sanger's move against the African Americans in Harlem.

Simply amazing that people will be quick to judge Nazis as evil, yet fully support something rooted in the exact same "science".

Minor issues

1) Cost

Moving on from there, we hear often that abortion is pretty cost effective and a good alternative for the poor. A recent fallacy i heard is about the cost of pro-life efforts. The topic was that an ultrasound (as is being considered a mandate by Republicans prior to an abortion) costs about a thousand dollars. Not sure where that figure came from, but a quick google search (you can do it too) turns up a cost of about $250-500 while an abortion runs $350-550 (barring complications from the procedure).

2) Political tool

Not much here. Just a comment Republicans make this an issue and tie it to faith and Christian values. I feel this is merely to gain political power and the Christian vote. The same Republicans will endorse war (killing fully grown people) and will also engage in illicit behavior of their own.

Additionally, we had 8 years of Republican President Bush in office, and as far as I know abortions are still happening.

3) Increased Risk of Breast Cancer

I heard years ago, that abortion can increase the risk of breast cancer. There is evidence for and against this, and I haven't the inclination to dig really deeply. Still, if i were a woman, I'd err on the side of caution. If it's true, wouldn't it be ironic that the Komen cure folks link up with the people doing abortions? A sad, vicious circle.

And a US government article saying it doesn't increase the risk.

4) Sickening facts

5) It is NOT a religious issue

Pro-life atheists. Honestly.

To conclude the "rational" section, there is good reason not to allow it. We see that it's the death of a human life, ie-murder. We also see abortion has roots in the same eugenic ideology that eventually led to the holocaust. Those two reasons alone should be enough to keep this illegal.

Add to this, that the pro-choice arguments hold no weight (which i haven't fully addressed due to their lack of logic). The "we need safe places to do it so women aren't doing it with rusty hangers" is a line of tripe so people can sleep better supporting the murder of babies. It's akin to handing out clean knives to a serial killer to make sure it's done right. The "it's a woman's body, she can do whatever..." makes me wonder, where is the baby's choice? In short, there is no good reason to justify abortion.

Lastly, here's a few things that the Bible says. For all i've written, God's word is the only thing that can true conviction, but i put it at the end so people can see first that there are rational reasons to not be pro-choice.

1) Humans are made in the image of God, which is why murder is wrong.

Genesis 1:26

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

2) The Murder of Babies is Detestable to God

Recall that Pharaoh killed many baby's to prevent Israel from escaping. God later judged him and his country by killing all firstborn in Egypt, except the Jews whom He "passed over". We don't know if Herod met with judgment for the Matthew 2 mqasacres, but you can bet God wasn't happy.

The Bible has alot to say about abortion in the form of child sacrifice.

Leviticus 18:21

And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.

And Israel did it causing God to turn away from them.

Ezekiel 20:31

For when ye offer your gifts, when ye make your sons to pass through the fire, ye pollute yourselves with all your idols, even unto this day: and shall I be enquired of by you, O house of Israel? As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will not be enquired of by you.

This site does a great job of looking at child sacrifice and the Bible, also comparing it to abortion. It would also be a great companion to the Moloch stuff in the Star of David article i did recently. It covers alot of stuff from the Bible that i would have covered here.

Furthermore, this whole affair isn't just God giving laws, God tells us this because He loves us.

Matthew 10:29-31

29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.

And lastly, if the book of Enoch is to be believed, the fallen Watchers/angels taught mankind how to perform abortion, and not long after this God sent the flood.

Not only is abortion an abomination to God, it seems that it's often followed by harsh judgement. How long until that judgment falls upon America? As Billy Graham said, and Chuck Missler loves to quote "if God doesn't judge America, He'll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.

I wonder if our economic situation isn't just a preamble to that.

As detestable as this is to God, His mercy is far greater than His wrath. He is good, slow to anger, that's why we're still around.

If you've had an abortion (or know someone who has) you may feel alot of guilt over it. There may be other feelings too. But God can and wiil forgive this. Jesus Christ paid the price for all who have sinned, all we must do is repent and accept Jesus Christ as Lord and savior. Believe His death paid that price, and that He rose again, defeating death. Seek Jesus and He can heal you!

Update 3/1/12

Unbelievable. just days after arguing on another blog that abortion is no different than murder, a new article comes out saying that parents should have the right to kill their newborn babies. The logic is partially the same as for abortion, that is, the newborns are viewed as "non-persons" or potential persons. The "ethicists" who determined this from their moral high ground concluded that if a baby is born disabled, parents should be allowed to kill it. What's next, the murder of disabled people? The kid with down's syndrome down the street? I shouldn't have to remind anyone, that Nazi Germany started out by "mercy killing" those with disabilities then altered the definition of person to exclude Jews and others. I can tell you, if we allow this to continue, it won't be long before "undesirables" are rounded up into camps and murdered again. Imagine, the killing of neborns. How barbarous are we becoming? It's bad enough to kill a baby in the womb. Before we know it, hospital maternity words will feature a Molech pit next to the gift shop.

Can God's judgement be far off? Just ask Israel before their exile to Babylon.

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