Claim:
Georgio:
Why would ancient astronauts have to wear an astronaut suit that we’re familiar with today? The answer is very simple. Can we go through space without wearing a type of suit? Of course not, we would die. Because, who says that whoever visited us in the remote past that they could breathe in the atmosphere of planet earth? It’s not farfetched to suggest that they did in fact wear some type of suit.
Narrator: Why might these images resemble modern astronauts? If they are aliens, is it possible that they are similar to humans? Could they have come from a planet just like Earth?
Refutation
If the aliens required a suit to be on our planet, one wonders how the stories of “alien visitors” mating with human women worked out. In the Ancient Aliens show, it is claimed that the visitors are like us. If they are, again why the need for a suit?
Ancient astronaut theorists use artwork from the past as proof that aliens have visited earth in the past. Often times, they use cave paintings and petroglyphs which have many interpretations that should be considered before entertaining the thought of aliens. Aside from that “evidence” alien theorists also use statues as proof.
Turkey
One such statue, pictured below, was alleged to be a three thousand year old statue depicting a rocket man. It was claimed by Zechariah Sitchin (who has been sufficiently discredited via www.sitchiniswrong.com) that it depicted a “pilot as sitting with legs folded toward his chest, and wearing a one-piece "ribbed pressure suit" which becomes boots at the feet, and gloves at the hands, and points out that since the pilot’s head is missing, we cannot know whether the pilot wore a helmet, goggles, or other headgear.”
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/esp_sitchin_13.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/esp_sitchin_13.htm
Despite its supposed age, evidence to the contrary of its ancient origins has surfaced.
“It became evident that the alleged three thousand year old Space Module that was hosted by the Archaeological Museum of Istanbul was in actuality made from plaster 25 years ago…But conclusions of the Ministry of Arts and Culture Memorial and Museums department chemical and petro-graphical analyses proved that those theories didn’t agree with historical reality…The General Director of the Museum Ph. D. Alpay Pasinli said that, the artifact could not be from three thousand years, but rather from 25 years the most.”
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/esp_sitchin_28.htm
A post by Elirien on the Project Avalon forum serves as the origin of the above quote. Here is Elirien’s post in its entirety.
“The three thousand year old space module was 25 year old plaster!
It became evident that The alleged three thousand year old Space Module that was hosted by the Archaeological Museum of Istanbul was in actuality made from plaster 25 years ago.
The space module which was found “matchless” by museum curators, found as a three thousand year old space module of the Urartu Kingdom many headlines to news in the western press. But conclusions of the Ministry of Arts and Culture Memorial and Museums department chemical and petro-graphical analyses proved that those theories didn’t agree with historical reality.
There is various and contradicting information concerning how the artifact came to the museum. One of the theories is that an antique merchant brought it to the museum. The space module, which has five engines is 23 centimeters long and 9,5 centimeters high. The General Director of the Museum Ph. D. Alpay Pasinli said that, the artifact could not be from three thousand years, but rather from 25 years the most. Pasinli, who said that we should remember that the western press convinced their public that the space module was three thousand years old, added that they have confirmed that this artifact was made out of plaster and marble dust through the results from analyses.
The space module, which became one of the most popular artifacts of the Istanbul Archeological Museum and was sought after by western scientists and media, was written about in tens of Articles in Europe and became news in many newspapers and television news casts. The space module which was sought after by German and English archeologists in the beginning of the 1990’s was for a long time secured in the preservation unit of the museum. The first who succeeded in photographing the space module was the English Magazine “Fortean Times”. The Magazine, which showed a picture of the sculpture and head lined “Is it an ancient space module?” in their October 1993 issue was followed by the German magazine “Magazin 2000”. After this event the competing firm of Magazin 2000, G.A.R.L. sent their editor to Istanbul and he shared his findings with the public. But almost all of the research and what was presented to the public was written in this manner: “It is confirmed that the space ship that is now in the Istanbul Archeological Museum was found in a archeological dig made in 1975 in the old city of Tuspa that is also known as Toprakkale. It is in the northeast of the Van lake where the Urartu Kingdom spread between 830-612 BC.” After these allegations were made it was written that it was in the Istanbul Archeological Museum but not on public display.
Zecharia Sitchin, linguistic and Bible scholar and writer of the book “The 12th Planet”, made the greatest research on the controversial “Space Module”. Sitchin, who came in the beginning of the 90’s to Turkey came in the forefront of the people that claimed that the Space Module was three thousand years old. Sitchin made these remarks after the sculpture left the preservation unit of the museum and was presented to him on a velvet tray: “The object, was made out of a porous material that could probably be a stone made out of volcanic ash. The bends and amazing amount of detail disproves that it was made from raw labor. Was it really a plaster caste that came out of a plastic toy as claimed by the museums official explanations? It doesn’t seem that way.
There are various and contradicting information concerning how and from where the “Space Module” was brought to the Istanbul Archeological Museum. The most popular idea is that an antique trader brought the sculpture and after realizing that it was fake he didn’t pursue it. The Space module which is 23 centimeters long, 9,5 centimeters high and 8 centimeters wide has five engines. There is also a pilot figure on the small sculpture that has bent his knees reaching its chest. The clothing of the pilot resembles the space suits that astronauts wear.
source: http://arsiv.zaman.com.tr/2003/04/30/kultur/h6.htm (in turkish though, I translated it).”
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5976&page=3
And here is the text from Zaman.com translated via Google translate. It seems to be the same text that Elirien posted on the forum.
“Three thousand year old space module 'alçıymış 25 years!
Istanbul Archaeological Museum, and three thousand years in the alleged 'Space Module, plaster, made 25 years ago emerged.
Curators 'unique' which he described as a spacecraft, the Western media 'Urartians spacecraft belonging to three thousand years' title was subject to numerous news. However, the Ministry of Culture commissioned by the Directorate General of Monuments and Museums, as a result of chemical and petrographic analyzes, these views are inconsistent with the historical facts understood.
There are conflicting accounts about where it came from the work to the museum. Module according to one of these views has brought to the museum an antique dealer. 23 cm long and 9.5 cm high, the space module has 5 engine. Director General of Monuments and Museums, Dr. Alpay Pasinli of the work, three thousand years ago, but that he might have made more than 25 years ago. Western scientists wrote articles and writings he promotes his own public opinion reminiscent of the space module Pasinli three thousand years, "Reviews of plaster and marble dust as a result of this work have been generated." He said.
Istanbul Archaeological Museum, which is one of the most popular, and the median Western scientists will pursue to see 'Space Module' in Europe to date related to the article published in dozens, many newspapers and television news. To see themselves in pursuit of the German and British archaeologists in the early 1990s' Space Module ', a long time the Istanbul Archaeological Museums' department of housing was kept hidden. 'Space Module Fortean Times magazine, the British had succeeded in the first viewing. October 1993 along with a photograph of the statue in the number of "Old Is A Space Module?" The title of the magazine who, in 1994 the German magazine 'Magazine 2000' was followed. 'Rival broadcaster Magazine 2000' WITH LAUREL 'after this incident, the editor sent to Istanbul. He reached as a result of the research information shared with his readers. But emerging and Western public opinion is reflected in almost every survey information as follows: "stored in the Istanbul Archaeological Museum spacecraft, now known as the former Tuşpa Toprakkale located in the city in 1975, is confirmed by the excavations of the ordinary. BC It BC 830'dan Dispersed up to 612 of the Urartu civilization in the northeast of Lake Van. "After giving the information in the form of" this extraordinary object, now the Archaeological Museum in Istanbul, but sergilenmemektedir. "Was called.
Controversial 'Space Module' makes the most extensive research and Bible scholar, linguist, '12. Planet ', the author Zecharia Sitchin'di. Sitchin came to Turkey in the early 1990s, 'Space Module, believing that the 3000 year was one of the names. Sitchin, the museum 'housing removed from the Department,' velvet tray in the 'sculpture shown to him had made determinations regarding the following: "The object, presumably consisting of a volcanic ash porous stone that may be made of a substance. Accordance with amazing curves and other details are also refutes the idea that it is a crude product of labor. Removed from the official descriptions of the museum, such as a plaster mold with a plastic toy did? It does not appear at all. "
'Space Module into the Istanbul Archaeological Museum where it came from and how it is in the contradictory opinions. According to the most common opinion, the seller brought an antique statue, and one more on the pursuit of understanding does not fall into being a fake. 23 cm long, 9.5 cm high, 8 cm wide, the 'Space Module'' of the five engines. Heykelcikte, legs curled up toward the chest as a pilot figure is also a sitting. Clothes worn by the pilot of the 'space suit worn by astronot'ların resembles.
Abdullah Kilic / Istanbul”
Unfortunately for Sitchin and the ancient astronaut crowd, the reality of the rocket man statue is that it is unable to hold up to serious scrutiny.
Japan
Another set of statues purported to be a depiction of an ancient astronaut. The Dogu statues of Japan. (http://www.e-yakimono.net/html/jomon-dogu.html) Dogu come in many styles, but the “slitted-goggles” (pictured below) variety are arguably the most famous. Many of them are unusual to be sure, but not all of them look like aliens. Additionally, besides an alien explanation, a more plausible theory has been given for at least some of the figures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog%C5%AB
And a few dogu that are obviously stylized people, and widely ignored by ancient aliens folks.
http://www.e-yakimono.net/html/jomon-dogu.html
A user on abovetopsecret (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread544923/pg1) has cleverly discovered that the Dogu pictured above may actually be a stylized version of one of the Inuit people. The eyes are actually said to be Inuit snow goggles and the puffy “space suit” is actually winter attire.
http://anthromuseum.missouri.edu/archiveaids/cordle.shtml
http://www.sinc.stonybrook.edu/Clubs/socia/web_items/old_website/
It’s not completely unfeasible that the Japanese could have encountered Inuit people in the distant past. Certainly it’s more believable than aliens from light years away. There’s evidence to suggest that some Japanese or elements of their culture made it as far as New Mexico, so encountering . The language of the Zuni people in New Mexico may be a variant of Japanese suggesting some relation between the two cultures. After all, the Native Americans had to come from somewhere and it’s commonly accepted theory that they traveled from Asia across the Bering land bridge.
“The Zuni Enigma, by Nancy Yaw Davis offers a comparative of cognates between the Zuni language and another language isolate; the Japanese language. While speculative… it demonstrates a likeness between the Zuni and Japanese languages that may be more compelling than that of the Penutian Hypothesis.”
http://www.amerindianarts.us/articles/zuni_language.shtml
“For example, the Zuni word for "clan" is "kwe," while in Japanese it is "kwai." The word for "clown" is "newe" in Japanese and "niwaka" in Zuni. "Priest" is "shawani" in Japanese and "shiwani" in Zuni…And then there was the whole syntax thing -- both languages use the verb as the last word of a sentence, a feature only 45 percent of languages share.”
http://www.cracked.com/article_19769_5-baffling-discoveries-that-prove-history-books-are-wrong_p2.html
And other evidence is available here:
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf087/sf087a02.htm
Ecuador
In Cuenca, Ecuador a number of artifacts have been found, most of which were presented to Father Carlos Crespi, Catholic priest/missionary to the Native people of that area. Many of these are metal work, gold, brass and the like. Among the many artifacts given to him by the Natives, often in exchange for money, were figures that appeared in the Ancient Aliens shows. This one was displayed quite prominently, and from the vantage point it was shown does indeed look like a space suit.
screenshot of Ancient Aliens
Apparently the History Channel's penchant for deception still applies here. Here is the same “space suit” seen from a whole body angle.
Notice that this figure has toes that are not protected by the “suit,” in addition to a large amount of what appears to be exposed skin. So if it is a suit, it isn’t going to keep the astronaut alive for very long.
http://aenigmaunveiled.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/ufo-in-prehistoric-art-i/
The below figure, also said to be evidence of an ancient space suit has the same exact problem in addition to missing his face plate.
http://aenigmaunveiled.wordpress.com/2011/04/20/ufo-in-prehistoric-art-i/
There is little to no information available about this statue, or most such figures outside of the connection to the ancient astronaut theory. The only other information that comes up for these two figures is that they are from Cuenca, Ecuador and in all likelihood part of the collection of Father Carlos Crespi. Crespi was a missionary (sometimes rumored to be Hitler in disguise) on assignment from the Vatican and he often took in artifacts found by the native people in exchange for money. He was known to purchase fake artwork from the Natives as a form of charity. This was known to be the case for metal work, but would not be surprising if it extended to statues and other works.
“Regarding fakes (which Crespi knowingly purchases in his casual, humanitarian style, at the same time chiding the seller): “The modern solder and hacksaw marks give them away.” (p. 136)…some of the Indian diggers in Ecuador have cut up and reshaped genuinely ancient and priceless materials in order to get any kind of price at all for it.”
http://chapmanresearch.org/PDF/Crespi%20Ancient%20Artifact%20Collection%20of%20Cuenca%20%20Ecuador.pdf
In addition to Crespi’s penchant for fake art, there is yet another reason to doubt reason to doubt the authenticity of these statues. That reason is the person that he contacted to investigate the bulk of his collection.
“Padre Crespi invited von Däniken to examine his vast store of treasures”
http://thelastdaysoftolemac.com/prophecy/?p=74
The same Erich von Daniken who has been known to indulge in the occasional fraud such as:
• an “ancient” cave painting in Uzbekistan
o “Funny thing, though: this isn't an ancient cave painting. The illustration was drawn to illustrate an 1967 Sputnik magazine story on the ancient astronaut theory.”
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/faking-ancient-art-in-uzbekistan.html
• “ancient” pottery depicting UFOs
o “he produced photographs of pottery that he claimed had been found in an archaeological dig. The pottery depicts flying saucers and was said to have been dated from Biblical times. However, investigators from Nova (the fine public-television science program) found the potter who had made the allegedly ancient pots. They confronted von Däniken with evidence of his fraud. His reply was that his deception was justified because some people would only believe if they saw proof”
http://www.skepdic.com/vondanik.html
• quoting from the book of Dzyan as though it were an ancient book. In fact, it was channeled by New Age guru Blavatsky.
o “the Book of Dzyan is completely made up. It is the product of the imagination of Helena Blavatsky, the Theosophical fraud. Von Daniken merely acknowledges her as the "translator" of Dzyan. Blavatsky herself elliptically acknowledged the problem of authorship in the Secret Doctrine, where the fraudulent Dzyan stanzas appear.”
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/1/post/2012/01/von-daniken-theosophy-and-the-fraudulent-book-of-dzyan.html
and
• a falsified account of visiting an Ecuadorian cave housing the same kinds of artifacts Crespi was storing.
o “A third room contained artifacts that were similar to the objects that von Däniken had seen in the underground cavern that he had explored with Juan Moricz.”
http://thelastdaysoftolemac.com/prophecy/?p=74
o “The man whom he said showed him these tunnels, Juan Moricz, told Der Spiegel that von Däniken's descriptions came from a long conversation and that the photos in the book had been "fiddled".[20] Von Däniken told Playboy that although he had seen the library and other places he had described, he had fabricated some of the events to add interest to his book…Later in 1978 he said that he had never been in the cave pictured in his book but in a "side entrance", and that he had fabricated the whole descend to the cave…A geologist examined the area and found no cave systems.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Daniken#Errors_and_omissions
Although there is little information available – to either prove or disprove – the Cuenca, Ecuador “space suit” figures of Carlos Crespi, one should at least consider the possibility that these are but one of many frauds in Crespi’s collection and one of many frauds being used to perpetuate the ancient astronaut lie. In light of the fact that the “space suit” figures have toes and one has exposed skin, their being proof of space exploration are laughable. Added to this, Crespi’s acquisition of fakes and associations with von Daniken and there is far more evidence against the authenticity of these figures than there are for it.
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