Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Was Jesus Really Just a Good Teacher? Then Why Don't You Follow What He Taught?

This one is less for the church...OK, it's also for the church because we often don't listen to Him too. Without a doubt, Jesus is widely recognized the world over as a good teacher, at the very least. Some see Him as a mere prophet. OK, let's work with that. Jesus was a teacher, sure and very wise. I don't think anyone would disagree.

But I would bet that any of you who say this would be hard pressed to repeat anything that He actually taught. I know I can't recall 100% accurately some of the things He taught and I've been a Christian for more than ten years. Let's start with some easy teachings that everyone should know.

Turn the other cheek. If someone asks for your coat, also give them the shirt. Give to Caesar what is Caesar's. Go the extra mile. We've turned many of these great lesson's into cliche's. Stripped them of their depth, to some extent, if that were possible. But yes, these are some things that Jesus taught.

But what else? The sermon on the mount of course. But what was that about? Let's take just a small piece.


From that, this comes out.

Matthew 5:17 - 20

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Which causes me to ask, how can a mere teacher fulfil the law? There's no way a mere person could fulfill the Law.

He also said that the law, the Torah, the "Old Testament" was still valid, and would continue to be relevant, basically until the last chapter of Revelation. So, that means you and I are subject to the law and held accountable to it.

Or as Paul explains in Galatians, the law is still valid for showing us what is sinful, and to help us judge what is right and wrong. Lying, stealing, adultery, witchraft, homosexuality, etc. etc. are still sin. When we read the law, I think we are supposed to see in it where we fall short, and confess to God that we sinned by not measuring up. It's sort of our diagnostic tool to see where we are with God.

That's interesting to note in light of the ordination of gay clergy in Lutheran and Presbyterian denominations, and the Church's general laissez faire attitude to sin in general.

Even more, Jesus teaches us who He is.

John 5:16 - 47

"And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.

But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

That all [men] should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.

Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.

But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.

He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.

But I have greater witness than [that] of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

I receive not honour from men.

But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that [cometh] from God only?

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is [one] that accuseth you, [even] Moses, in whom ye trust.

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?"


John 14:6 - 12

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Believe me that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. "


These statements go way beyond mere teaching, Jesus taught who He is, which is the Son of God! He's not just a wise teacher, He is God's Son! Fully God and fully human! God, so He can be infinitely sufficient to atone for us (and more probably) and fully human so that we humans can become saved.

He also taught on the road Emmaus that He fulfilled the scriptures by suffering and dying on the cross for our sin, and being raised up. (Luke 24:27 (read it all, but pay close attention to v 27. http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Luk&c=24&t=KJV#13 ) )

Maybe He covered Psalm 22, which describes crucifixion hundreds of years before it was even invented! Maybe He covered something else.

Following is a link that outlines more than 300 prophecies of the Old Testament that Jesus fulfilled. Keep in mind that the Old Testament was written by several different authors across hundreds of years by people (most of whom never knew each other). The Holy Spirit worked in them to predict the coming of Jesus the Messiah, and as Chuck Missler says, embedded consistent symbolism to foreshadow the coming of Jesus Christ, the Messiah.

Here's the link:


Perhaps Jesus didn't address each one of these on the road with the disciples, but you can bet He did a large number, His disciples were quite impressed afterwards. I don't think anyone would forget. I personally hope that God explains that to us in eternity. Then i can see how wrong I am on many points.

So, Jesus taught that He is the Son of God, that He would fulfil the scriptures (He often predicted His own death and resurrection, like in Luke 9:22) that those who believed in Him would have eternal life (John 3). He taught that Hell was a real place that people who reject God's salvation will go to (Luke 16). He taught after His resurrection that He had fulfilled the scriptures and He taught before His death that He would return one day like a thief (Matthew 24), that is, when we least expect it.

Does this sound like someone who is merely a good teacher? He is either or He said He is and taught who He was, or He wasn't. If you think that Jesus was merely an enlightened teacher, or very wise, you miss the entire point of what He taught.

How can you say He was a good teacher, then not accept what He said about Himself, and the scriptures, that He fulfilled them?

So if you acccept that Jesus is a good teacher, heed His teaching. Accept Him as Lord and Savior and accept His payment for your sins. Believe that He now lives! Believe that He is coming soon! Believe that He has overcome death, and allowed us to spend eternity with Him.

After all, Jesus taught these things.


How to get saved, and have a relationship with Jesus.

"that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved." -Romans 10:9


Did Jesus exist? Non-Biblical evidence that He did:



  1. Game set and match. Great blog post and great point. Those who wave their hand and claim Jesus is merely a good teacher are defensively posturing to deny Christ's divinity.

  2. Praise God! There is so much more to say, this just scratches the surface.

  3. Hi Frank,

    I just read on Lynn's site your kind response to Sawyer. That speaks of the love in your heart,and it is good to see one stand up for those who are less than 100% "agreeable"!

    I speak as one who has been banned from Lynn's site. More than once.actually,because what I have said questions the validity of what he puts forth,and he wouldn't want to lose his consumer base!

    The forum he had once linked to from his blog is still up and running,should Sawyer want to give that a try also. I think he would be welcome to post his thoughts there.

    Here is that link:

    Anyway,you and I might not see everything eye-to-eye either,but it's so great to see you stand up for the "little guy"! Just had to tell you "Thanks" for that.

    God bless you,Frank!!


  4. Hey Sandie! Thanks for the encouragement. Praise God, give Him the thanks.

    It's the love of Jesus that allows me to love Sawyer. Is Sawyer going to come to Christ because we tell him he's crap and not welcome to post, or because we show him the love of Jesus? To paraphrase Dr. Future "are we being a stumbling block to Jesus, or a stepping stone?" Sawyer is a human made in the image of God, just like me, you and I. God loves him too.

    So, you and Sawyer, and anyone else are welcome here, as long as you're respectful. Even disagreements are OK. I certainly don't know everything. Just be sure there's some scriptural and thoughtful criticism, and not something childish. Evidence is always good.

    Regarding the other comment you had, I moderate comments, but usually let everything go. I had some comments in the past that were nasty. Tho, I can't recall them now.

  5. Frank,

    I totally agree! I was saying the same thing,that Frank is human like the rest of us,and no one needs to be dismissed in such a way,as coming from a position of superiority,as though because one doesn't think the same way,their comments are somehow less valid.

    I don't know if Sawyer has ever been disrespectful. I have never read him to be,though he is a little "out there" for my tastes,I think that last comment before yours was right on target in many ways.

    We all have a little something to add to the "bigger picture",hopefully!

    Thank you for welcoming me here also. I appreciate your response.

    Have you ever posted at Ruggie's forum? It could always use some new insights! I post there,even though I have been banned from there in the past! (Ruggie later apologized,which showed character on his behalf,and I respected that.)

    Anyhow,as you say,"All praise to God!"

    May He continue to use you and bless you in all your ways.

    Respectfully,in Christ,

    Perhaps we'll talk more later?

  6. Thanks! You said it quite well.

    Never posted on ruggies. Just no time.

    Keep in touch!

  7. Hi again,Frank!

    Since you're a guy who welcomes questions,I think you'll appreciate where I'm coming from on this subject,and why it has

    garnered me such disapproval at one or more "prophecy" sites!

    I.too,happened to once see prophecy through the same lens as say,Hal Lindsay. Having read "The Late Great Planet Earth" and

    hearing others teach the same beliefs,I really didn't question it,not coming from a strong Biblical background,I had nothing to

    compare it to.

    It was only through searching many surrounding topics did I discover such belief had a name,(as most doctrines do!). It's called

    Dispensationalism. Some refer to it as Futurism,and it's all about "seven years of Tribulation", a rapture,(though some have

    shifted stance on that one),and of course,the nation of Israel having a distinct and seperate relationship apart from others in

    Christ,and all that implies.

    There are also two distinctly different interpretations given to Daniel 9:27! Dispensationalists say it refers to the antichrist,who

    puts an end to sacrifice,while others say it refers to the Messiah. The second version is what I believe,and so do many more.

    I came to see that this way of teaching was not common until the 1800's,and was perpetrated by the likes of Nelson Darby and

    Cyrus Scofield,and a mysterious "Group of Six",where financing was involved. It points to something being very amiss about the

    whole deal.

    As you can imagine,I am not popular among those who espouse this doctrine,but it is because I believe it to be a grave error,I do

    speak against it,but in love and sincerity,though I have been called a "troll",and "of the devil" for doing so! I have never personally

    condemned anyone for what they believe,but I do take issue with those who present themselves as great "researchers" when they

    fail to confront these very incriminating issues,and instead try to blot out all dialogue of them.

    The truth,in my opinion,has nothing to hide,and can stand up to the light of investigation.

    I prize integrity and honesty,as well as good manners and politeness,even if we are to disagree. It is true that God teaches us in

    stages,and I am certain if we ask in faith for wisdom,His Holy Spirit will teach us what we need to know. What may appear as

    truth now may not stand up under scrutiny at some further point,but I believe we need to be honest and alert,knowing Satan is

    doing all he can to deceive and condemn.

    I welcome you to research this matter yourself,if you have the time,and see if it doesn't seem a little suspicious to you,too!

    Bottom line,salvation in Christ is all that really counts,and I'll stake my life on that. For all I've seen,that alone is where the truth

    lies,and loving God and following His commandments.

    (If you wish to reach me at a later time,you can PM me at the forum.)

    Sincerely,in Christ,

  8. Yo!

    I recall this discussion from LA's site a while back.

    I don't pretend to know anything about dispensationalism, though Daniel 9:27 refers to for sure an event that has happened, and that is the abomination of desolation, etc from 70 AD. My current understanding is that yes, there is this fulfillment, but also, a future one in the form of Antichrist. Not sayin that interpretation is necessarily right, but that's what I do believe right now.

    That said, a look into dispensationalism, and this fulfilment of prophecy bears looking into.

    I do believe that some prophecy has yet to be fulfilled, as some things from Revelation have yet to be fulfilled. The Beast and all that hasn't happened, nor has satan been imprisoned, and Christ's millenial kingdom doesn't seem to have been started yet either. This again, is my present understanding from reading God's word.

    Anyways, it's something I've been meaning to check out.

    As you say, salvation is key, the rest is details.

  9. Thank you,Frank. That's all I ever wanted people to do,was begin an investigation into it,with prayer and a readiness to admit one has been deceived,if that is the case. (I feel I certainly was.)

    There is much about prophecy I do not know,and have little faith in most interpretations due to that one putting me off being deceived again. That is why my emphasis now is in living more in Christ than ever and taking things one day at a time. We need to pray for discernment to understand what we see when we see it,but I believe there is a "self-fulfilling " nature to this prophetic interpretation,but fulfilled by whom,to what end? And who are it's agents? Who stands to gain from this teaching? What advantage does it give the adversary?

    I have looked at it all most intently,and continue to do so. I wish you much success in your studies and pray you age guided by His Spirit of truth.

    God bless you,and I hope to speak with you again in the future!


  10. That being said,some prophecy I do believe we are seeing unfold,necessarily,is the one-world-government,without which there could be no world dictator/antichrist,nor could they implement a mark of the beast,etc...

    The rest of my understanding on the end-times comes from studying the agents of the adversary himself,through what is considered some very controversial and select readings of history that most are all too happy to ignore.

    But I will leave that for another time!

    All the best to you,in Christ,

  11. Hi Frank,

    Just a comment on Jesus fulfilling the law, He did in the sense that He kept it as we are to keep it. People get it all wrong as to His reason for coming in the body of a man in all our fralities, weaknesses of our fallen nature and many turn away from understanding this as they don't want to. He overcale from where we must overcome and He dwells in us that we have His power to do just that, He in us gives us the same power He had with the Father in Him.

    I won't go no further here in this little comment box but you are welcome on my blog and I have this laid out in one of the topics.
    http://theonlyway-gibs.blogspot.com/ and comments are open to all and not monitored before they can come on.

    LA has not banned me yet I don't think on his blog but he don't like my input and I don't find much there of any value so I don't bother there. I have several other sites I post and comment on and keep plenty busy. LA don't like any who bring any real meat brought to the table and I don't get it, as dicussion is what it is all about, hey if it is wrong, prove it.


  12. Hey there.

    Indeed, we see but through a glass darkly. God had to leave some things vague deliberately so that Satan will be surprised.

    Living one day at a time,trusting in Christ, and expecting God to do things on His time table in His way. We can but search the scriptures, and take our best guess.

    I'll check your blog too.


  13. That guy,Vincent W. has it right,in what he posted Nov. 17th.(Lynn's blog.)

    Has this question of "Israel" come up before in your question section of this blog?

    What is your stand on it? Do you agree with Vincent?


  14. Well, I skimmed vincent's post.

    He has a few good points, but I overall disagree with him. It sounds a lot like replacement theology.

    I don't agree with replacement theology.

    As far as Ezekiel 37-39, and eschatology, I'm not 100% sure what I think. I don't think 37 has necessarily been fulfilled yet. And 38-39 seem to be at the end of days, but I may be wrong.

    U know, this is a topic I had considered, so maybe that will be my next one.

    1) My view of Modern Israel,
    2) Is Ezekiel 37-39 really as impending as. People think.

    Short answer, I don't agree wholly with Vincentw.

    What are your thoughts

  15. Well,like I said earlier,I am not a big fan of prophecies anymore,in the ordinary sense. Not being a Bible scholar,I am not so good with Biblical history either! That being said,I do love the Lord and love Truth,and that means having to sift through a lot of lies to get down to it,in my opinion.

    I read what others have to say,and pray for discernment where it comes to sorting out what I read. Where I find disagreements,I look for who stands to gain through what version,and what are the fruits thereof,etc,...

    I do believe there is an "agenda" behind this version of Dispensationalism,which backs up the "Israel" that is espoused on Lynn's blog.

    If you dig deeper down that road,you might see what I am seeing. I hesitate to fully explain,because it is often misconstrued to equate with "anti-semitism",which couldn't be further from the truth,but it is a knee-jerk response I do not like to see. (Besides,it would take too long to articulate what I think in one post,and I would have a tendency to ramble off in several directions!)

    If I may suggest something,...? How about inviting Vincent W, here to your blog to discuss it? I am in hopes he would feel like sharing his opinions,and they may help us to refine,or redefine,our own understanding? He seems like an intelligent individual who is also quite respectful.

    There is always the added benefit that perhaps others from that blog will look at coming to a place without the bias that Lnn's site has? Face it,he has books and videos and power-point-presentations to sell. Whereas yourself,you take a scholarly approach tothings and aren't afraid of tough questions! You have nothing to lose,and plenty more to gain!

    I will look forward to seeing if this topic progresses here and pray you are blessed in your studies.

    Respectfully,in Christ,

  16. sounds good, there's an open forum post that's the most current, so go ahead and let VW know he's free to comment anything he likes. If possible, citing sources and Bible verses etc.

    It will take me some time, but I'll take some look into all this.


  17. Sandy, newest post has sort of where I'm at now prophetically that is in udnerstanding prophesy.

    Let me know of some good links related to what we've been talking about of late. I found one link on dispensationalism, but I'll keep looking anyways.


  18. Hi Frank,

    What "newest post" are you talking about? Do you mean on Lynn's blog,or here? If it is to Lynn's site,I am still banned,and at the IP address,it seems,so I can't reach out to anyone that way.

    I will be happy to send you some links that give me cause for concern. In the mean time,you could google "Diepensationalism is a lie" and that would find you some for starters! (My motto now is always assume the worst!)

    Sadly,in this world,it isn't far off in finding!

    And you can always go to the Watchman forum. (The link on Lynn's site to that forum was deleted,for some unknown reason even the administrator won't talk about,but there appears to have been some kind of disagreement...?)

    In any case,that link is

    Then,not too far down on Active Topics you will find one from me called "Communist Goals 1963" and it covers a bit of Dispensationalism/Zionism and where I'm going with my thinking on things.

    As I said,it's a delicate subject,as you may already know.

    I thank you for your interest and look forward to talking with you again.


  19. Um,...I did the "newer post" here,and it takes me to your post about David Flynn.

    Perhaps you would care to try using the forum after all? There are at least a couple of other s there who may like to comment,and you could give a link to the forum on Lynn's site,very casually,and say if Vincent W. is still reading,he might care to discuss it there?
    (Just a suggestion!)

    Anyhow,here are two of the links,from my thread I have on the forum,and a new one I just found.




    This last one I just stumbled across,when I went to see what you might find under Googling as I suggested in my previous comment!

    I will quote the last paragraph on that one....


    "The modern state, the nation of Israel, is an impostor kingdom. Modern day Talmudic, Kabbalist, Judaism is not the same as Old Testament Judaism. Not so, neither by genealogy or by ideology. They’re not even true blood line descendants. It would take a while to prove that, but they are really not. Neither is their doctrine the same as what Moses taught and the Old Testament people of God believed. Their ideology is Kabbalist. Occult and pagan. Here you have one of the most unknown facts around, and if the Dispensationalist were to know what the Kabbalah has to say they would know the Jew's ideology HAS to be terribly wrong. Truth is, the ideology of modern day Judaism has more to do with satanic doctrine than it does the Old Testament. Jesus called it "the synagogue of Satan," Rev. 2:9, 3:9. Their anticipated kingdom will be the kingdom of antichrist."~

    Please bear in mind,for reference sake,only apply the pages and articles at hand. I cannot vouch for what else their sites may contain!

    As far as that goes,I can't "vouch" for how valid any of it is,really,but I do find it very compelling reading,and has made me critical of everything I read in this life.

    And the bottom line,..."Jesus is Lord!"

    (I'll be honest,simply being the human being I am,it might have been possible for me to even question that,however,just seeing who the whole world is against, is evidence in itself,wouldn't you agree?!)


  20. Wow! I could have sworn those last two posts I made here were visible?!

    What happened?


  21. http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm



    Three links,minus the comments this time!

  22. Hi Frank,

    Maybe I just "imagined" my posts being published,so I will repeat some of what I said previously,and to start with,I said I wasn't

    sure where your thoughts on prophecy wound up! You said to see "newer post",but it led me to your post on David Flynn.

    In reply to you saying you would like me to refer you to some links,(before I posted the ones I did!),I suggested you Google

    "Dispensationalism is a Lie",or something along those lines...A Critique of Dispensationalism,perhaps?

    I find it easier these days to just assume the worst,because it usually isn't too far off!

    I also suggested,perhaps,that you would reconsider taking the time to post at the Forum that was once linked to from Lynn's blog.

    For whatever reason,it was removed,but I know there are at least a couple of people who would be able to comment on the

    subject if you should bring it up. I would welcome seeing it there,and it would be easier to keep track of!

    Also,I am not able to post on Lynn's blog,having my IP address banned,apparently. So there is no way I know of to contact Vincent W. Maybe if you decide to post on the forum,you could invite him,in case he is still reading,to follow you there for further conversation,and then leave a link?

    I think that about covers what I said earlier,that did or did not post! I'm confused!

    Oh,I did say that if you go to the forum,you can find a thread from me,called "Communist Goals of 1963" which covers some of what I've been getting at,in case you are interested.

    Here is the link for that...

    Okay,I'd better end with that,or you'll feel I'm really out to pester you! I'm really not! Just trying to keep the communication going!

    I will check back later,unless I see you at the forum first!


  23. Thanks for the advice Sandie. I'll google some of the stuff you suggested and search those links. It'll be a while with the holidays, and a few other pressing topics, but it is on my list as I think a right understanding of Bible Prophecy is key.

    Sorry also about the link issue. There should be an "open forum post" here now, just look through the November posts.

    Commie goals, huh? Sounds interesting. I hesitate to get into the forum as I would spend way too much time there. But I will check out some stuff. I'll hit Vince W up if I see him on La's again.

    Also I took mods off, so every post will come through.

    Thanks again for the links, I'll check those out.

  24. http://www.thewatchmanforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1314

    I'm curious what you think about this.


  25. I take that back,....I don't need to hear what you think about it! I should have just said you might want to add this to your research!

    Sorry,didn't mean to sound confrontational or anything!

    Take care,Frank.


  26. I'm offended!

    Just kidding! It's all cool. I'll add that to my research. Thanks sandie!

  27. According to Matt 12:32, He who sins against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven... A long time ago I actually THOUGHT God hated me, because some terrible things were happening in my life, so I was nearly in tears and cursed Him with my mouth 3 times shaking my fist at Him-- Then some time after that my life became very painful (literally) for about 1 or 2 years. . . But since after those years, I think I've come much closer to Him, especially in understanding-- So now I am very ashamed about what I did, and wish I never did it . . . I'm wondering if God has seriously cursed the rest of my life, because of what I did.
    What is your take on this, No One? How can I compensate with God?